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Liam Brady 
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personally, I need a better reason for somebody to be starting beyond they play in the premier League or their "experience". all the premier League experience unfortunately still has Jeff Hendrick running away from the ball in a team that is supposed to be holding onto the ball. I mean what has Hendrick done over the last 3 or 4 years that's made anybody think "yeah, make sure he's in the starting 11". I love experience as much as the next football fan, but what exactly in detail is this experience that Hendrick is bringing? can people collate some clips of Hendrick that show us what would we'd be missing if he wasn't there?
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Ray Houghton
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Posted: 21 Feb 2021 at 7:33pm |
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A lot of criticism aimed at Hendrick and I'm not inclined to agree or disagree with any of it to be honest.
Yes, he has a lot of premier league caps and lots of ireland caps too. Yes, his form has question marks and he hasn't been great for ireland since 2016. Although I wouldn't say he was the worst either. Should he be in the ireland starting 11? Yes he should, unless you can put forward a better option... which we can't.
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Jack Charlton
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Posted: 21 Feb 2021 at 7:39pm |
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I don't know about that. If we take it that Hourihane will be accommodated given his current form, then you need someone who will get on the ball alongside him in midfield. Hendrick really isn't what you want in that situation. Probably Knight is closer to what we need than Hendrick for that position.
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Ray Houghton
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Posted: 21 Feb 2021 at 8:01pm |
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Hourihane or Hendrick is a case of who is less worse.
Everyone will have their own view but for me Hendrick offers more. Hes got more energy, is quicker, better at winning the ball and covers more ground.
Hourihane obviously is a set piece specialist but for me is pretty poor as a midfielder and a midfield as a whole suffers badly with his limitations. |
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Posted: 21 Feb 2021 at 8:04pm |
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In my opinion Hourihane starts against Serbia in the number 10 position of a five man midfield. Hendrick is on the bench and if we somehow are in a position to hold a result around the 60/70min then he is on for Hourihane.
The two deep midfield positions are between Cullen, McCarthy and Molumby. Knight can play on the right, Connolly on the left and undecided about upfront If we want to try out some other formations or players in different positions it can be done against Luxembourg
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Kevin Kilbane
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Posted: 21 Feb 2021 at 8:14pm |
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That set piece is such an asset to be fair and not to be understated but I think the two of them are completely different players and its hard to really compare them personally id play Cullen in the 6 and a double 8 of Hendrick and Houihane. Mccarthy 10 times the player of Cullen but hasn't played this season Arter also out of form, Knight is a reasonable debate
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Posted: 21 Feb 2021 at 8:18pm |
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Exactly. I've expressed my shock to Hendrick making regular PL starts and my preference for him not to start for Ireland based on his international performances over the last few years on here before. But who else do we have? Why are Knight, or Cullen, or Browne etc not making regular PL appearances? Why aren't they making regular Irish appearances? If Duffy, McClean, McGoldrick were in better form (and not retired from international duty) it would be a different team and I wouldn't be playing Hendrick or McCarthy. But if I had to pick a team now, they're both in the team.
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Jack Charlton
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Posted: 21 Feb 2021 at 8:53pm |
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Well in Knight's case the answer to that question is that he's a lad who has just turned 20 who has come through the ranks at Derby, who aren't a Premier League team. Therefore it has been impossible for him to play in that league so far in his career. But in any case I think we need to look past what division players play in and look instead at what they bring to the team. Hendrick has certain qualities, but are they what we need right now? We need at least one central midfielder who is comfortable getting on the ball and bringing it forward from deeper positions to get us on the front foot. Hendrick doesn't do that, neither does Hourihane, so really you shouldn't be picking both, it's one or the other. Right now Hourihane is showing some form and Hendrick isn't, so I'd play Hourihane. We do need someone on set pieces and Brady is very hit and miss these days so probably won't start. For a box to box central midfielder our options at the moment are probably Browne, Molumby and Knight. None of them are in the Premier League but that's just the reality of where we are right now. Knight has been a consistent driving force in a poor enough Derby team, so he would be my pick of the three at the moment. Finally we need a sitter - this looks like a straight shoot out between McCarthy and Cullen. I think McCarthy gets the nod for Serbia if fit, but Cullen's form for Anderlecht is worth noting and he deserves to play if McCarthy isn't fully match fit. There's more to picking the best team than selecting based on what division players are playing in. If it was that easy anyone could do the job.
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Kevin Kilbane
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Posted: 21 Feb 2021 at 9:02pm |
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Molumby is not a ball playing central midfielder and is having an awful season both Hendrick and Hourihane are miles ahead of him and probably Browne |
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Liam Brady
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Posted: 21 Feb 2021 at 9:27pm |
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None of them are ball playing centre mids. Wes was ball playing midfielder. Jack Byrne is a (unproven) ball playing mid. Nobody else is. There's a reason why we can't create or control the game in the opposition half.
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Jack Charlton
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Posted: 21 Feb 2021 at 10:22pm |
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Fair enough - that was poorly worded. I meant a box to box type rather than a number 10 type, but it wasn't clear from how I worded it alright.
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Posted: 21 Feb 2021 at 10:56pm |
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I’d go with this team for the Serbia game
Randolph Coleman O’Shea Clark Stevens Knight McCarthy Brady Robinson Hogan Connolly Edited by Roberto Baggio - 21 Feb 2021 at 10:57pm |
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Posted: 21 Feb 2021 at 11:11pm |
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Kelleher Coleman Duffy/Long Clark Stevens Knight Hendrick Hourihane Robinson Long Connolly
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Jack Charlton
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Coleman Clark O'Shea Stevens McCarthy Knight Hourihane Connolly Robinson Hogan (least worst of a bad bunch, but at least he's in form) Would be my pick, but I think Kenny will go something like: Randolph Doherty Duffy Clark Stevens McCarthy Hendrick Hourihane Connolly Robinson Collins And Serbia will beat us comfortably enough.
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Posted: 22 Feb 2021 at 9:14am |
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I would go 5-3-2
Kelleher Doherty Coleman O Shea Clark Stevens - Cullen (6) Hourihane Hendrick - Connolly Robinson |
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Jack Charlton
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Posted: 22 Feb 2021 at 9:22am |
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Is the 5-3-2 just so we can accommodate Coleman and Doherty or do you really think we have a back line capable of playing that system? It may work on the right hand side but we would have a huge weakness on the left. Anyway Kenny won’t change his system now.
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Kevin Kilbane
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Posted: 22 Feb 2021 at 10:25am |
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Yes it does help are two best players but also a lot of the players best position are in this system. Egan, Stevens, Doherty, Clark, Connolly (two up front), same with Robinson and O Shea is better in a 5 Hendrick plays in a five as well with Newcastle and was actually good against Everton.
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Kevin Kilbane
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Posted: 01 Mar 2021 at 10:10am |
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24 days till Serbia game here's my team in a 4-3-3
Kelleher/Randolph Coleman O'Shea Clark Stevens Cullen Hendrick Hourihane Robinson Connolly/Long McGeady
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