England Friendly - Nov 12th Wembley

I'm with Kevin on this.

Dots1982 wrote: kevin100 wrote: Dots1982 wrote: the idea that Kenny’s problem is that he’s getting his team selection wrong while there are noticeably better players on the bench is a strange opinion. I can’t believe anyone could see that to be honest. All our players are much of a muchness. There is no X factor. The likes of molumby are not going to improve our midfield significantly or noticeably if at all. Dara o Shea ahead of John Egan is not going to make much odds. Ryan Manning making his debut means we’ll have to carry him for his first few games. If people think Ryan Manning is going to come in and make us a different more threatening proposition or much better defensively then god help their knowledge of football. As an example Jack Grealish is a player that would noticeably improve any average team. Ryan Manning, jayson molumby or Dara O’Shea are not.   No one is saying that they are “better” than or are playing better for their clubs but Cullen Molumby Manning and O’Shea are all players I and you mentioned above that are far better suited to passing the ball/playing the style Kenny wants then Christie Duffy and Hendrick. and for goodness sake Hendrick is included with the above too he gives the ball away Willy nilly had Molumby pointing telling him what to do last night at one stage. The idea that we can become a better passing side by the picking of players who are a longs ways off being anything close to consistent PL level performers like Cullen Molumby Manning and O’Shea.... I don’t buy it to be honest.  I think it’s another example of what Irish fans are good at. Telling themselves this player or that player who isn’t getting picked would make a difference when they really wouldn’t.  Duffy was only one of three players to get a shot at goal last night, maybe O’Shea could pass it better but if you drop Duffy, we will replace him with someone who will be less of a threat in the opposition penalty box. For a team that can’t score a goal, that’s not going to help in that department and a few better passes isn’t going to make a whole pile of difference.

 

Drumcondra 69er wrote: horsebox wrote: Drumcondra 69er wrote: Stickittotheman wrote: Claret Murph wrote: Baldrick wrote: Claret Murph wrote: Baldrick wrote: depressed murph.  Get a life ffs.  There is real depression going on due to many reasons loss of jobs covid etc.   Depressed over a friendly match. Give me a break.  I would you must be swinging around the rafters you are so happy . Murph where did I say I was happy but I am not depressed over a friendly match.   It’s football and I wanted us to win and I hope we win on Sunday but depression is OTT language.  I wouldn’t even be down about it never mind depressed.   We were very poor last night we have a weak squad that is going through a transition.  There isn’t much more to say beyond that.   Hopefully By the time of World Cup qualifiers the players will have progressed both at club level and as a unit and we start performing better individual and as unit.   Until then we just grin and bear it and put things in perspective.  Grin and bear it ehhh . Half my life i have never seen England beat us and last night we went down without much of a fight .  That was a big concern. We played as though it was a chore- we had a proud record but barely got going and offered very little fight. The work rate and tempo in particular was very dissappointing. Let's be honest also- apart from Stevens, McCarthy and Connolly would there have been much difference in the team selection? People talking about decimated with injuries and Kenny poor luck: Randolph- First choice Doherty- Has ousted Coleman Duffy- First choice Egan- First choice, injured early. 3rd choice CB comes in. Not unusual. Hendrick- First Choice Hourihane- First Choice Browne- Pushing for place as a starter going forward O'Dowda- First Choice Idah- Seems to be first choice with McGoldrick gone. Coleman, Connolly, McCarthy, Arter and Robinson all would have played.  And Stevens. Not sure if Coleman would have if Stevens had been fit.

Could Coleman play RF and Doherty LF. Doherty had arguably his best game for Ireland on Thursday at LF. Personally I think we are crying out for a 352/532 formation with Coleman the right side CB and Doherty at RWB, Duffy in the middle and Egan at left side CB and Stevens at LWB.  Coleman usually stays back when Everton have corners to cover quick breakaway attacks. In an Irish context, he would need to  cover Duffys lack of pace. The other thing i have noticed is the lack of defensive midfielder at the moment, a player to sweep in front of the defence. It was the hallmark of his Dundalk team be it  O'Donnell or Shields. Kenny had earmarked McCarthy for that role but he is generally out so he needs at least one alternative for that role. It's a specialist role and does not really require a player to be playing at top level, more about reading the game and reacting quickly rather than being fast and have a natural defensive mindset. I think C Clarke could do that role, especially as our options are limited.

Edited by Cabra Hoop - 14 Nov 2020 at 10:56am

Drumcondra 69er wrote: Stickittotheman wrote: Claret Murph wrote: Baldrick wrote: Claret Murph wrote: Baldrick wrote: depressed murph.  Get a life ffs.  There is real depression going on due to many reasons loss of jobs covid etc.   Depressed over a friendly match. Give me a break.  I would you must be swinging around the rafters you are so happy . Murph where did I say I was happy but I am not depressed over a friendly match.   It’s football and I wanted us to win and I hope we win on Sunday but depression is OTT language.  I wouldn’t even be down about it never mind depressed.   We were very poor last night we have a weak squad that is going through a transition.  There isn’t much more to say beyond that.   Hopefully By the time of World Cup qualifiers the players will have progressed both at club level and as a unit and we start performing better individual and as unit.   Until then we just grin and bear it and put things in perspective.  Grin and bear it ehhh . Half my life i have never seen England beat us and last night we went down without much of a fight .  That was a big concern. We played as though it was a chore- we had a proud record but barely got going and offered very little fight. The work rate and tempo in particular was very dissappointing. Let's be honest also- apart from Stevens, McCarthy and Connolly would there have been much difference in the team selection? People talking about decimated with injuries and Kenny poor luck: Randolph- First choice Doherty- Has ousted Coleman Duffy- First choice Egan- First choice, injured early. 3rd choice CB comes in. Not unusual. Hendrick- First Choice Hourihane- First Choice Browne- Pushing for place as a starter going forward O'Dowda- First Choice Idah- Seems to be first choice with McGoldrick gone. Coleman, Connolly, McCarthy, Arter and Robinson all would have played.

And Stevens.

Left foot wrote: Weve been on the decline for years, the Kenny era is just a continuation of that.  Things may well get worse before they get better

Stickittotheman wrote: Claret Murph wrote: Baldrick wrote: Claret Murph wrote: Baldrick wrote: depressed murph.  Get a life ffs.  There is real depression going on due to many reasons loss of jobs covid etc.   Depressed over a friendly match. Give me a break.  I would you must be swinging around the rafters you are so happy . Murph where did I say I was happy but I am not depressed over a friendly match.   It’s football and I wanted us to win and I hope we win on Sunday but depression is OTT language.  I wouldn’t even be down about it never mind depressed.   We were very poor last night we have a weak squad that is going through a transition.  There isn’t much more to say beyond that.   Hopefully By the time of World Cup qualifiers the players will have progressed both at club level and as a unit and we start performing better individual and as unit.   Until then we just grin and bear it and put things in perspective.  Grin and bear it ehhh . Half my life i have never seen England beat us and last night we went down without much of a fight .  That was a big concern. We played as though it was a chore- we had a proud record but barely got going and offered very little fight. The work rate and tempo in particular was very dissappointing. Let's be honest also- apart from Stevens, McCarthy and Connolly would there have been much difference in the team selection? People talking about decimated with injuries and Kenny poor luck: Randolph- First choice Doherty- Has ousted Coleman Duffy- First choice Egan- First choice, injured early. 3rd choice CB comes in. Not unusual. Hendrick- First Choice Hourihane- First Choice Browne- Pushing for place as a starter going forward O'Dowda- First Choice Idah- Seems to be first choice with McGoldrick gone.

Coleman, Connolly, McCarthy, Arter and Robinson all would have played. 

Edited by Drumcondra 69er - 13 Nov 2020 at 11:43pm

Drumcondra 69er wrote: Jimbhoy wrote: It seems to me that Kenny is getting a pass for making bad decisions that any other of our recent managers would be getting hammered for. To go into a game away from home against a decent side like England with a decimated team without any holding midfielders on the pitch is insane. Molumby should have been the first name on the team sheet last night and ideally we 'd have had Cullen in the squad to play with 2 holding midfielders. We didn't even lay a glove on their midfield which you won't when you select a midfield with nobody who can tackle or win the ball back. England were constantly finding space between our midfield and defence for this simple reason. O'Neill got hammered for playing Hendrick and Brady against Denmark at home from half time when we were chasing 2 goals to qualify for a world cup. I just don't get why we have fans saying Kenny should get 2 or 3 tournaments to turn our fortunes around. He has no track record in achieving this with any other teams. I could understand it if Michael O'Neill was our manager as he has done it with the North.  It took Michael O'Neill 9 games for his first win and another nine for his second iirc. There'd have been utter meltdowns on here had that been someone with us.

Claret Murph wrote: Baldrick wrote: Claret Murph wrote: Baldrick wrote: depressed murph.  Get a life ffs.  There is real depression going on due to many reasons loss of jobs covid etc.   Depressed over a friendly match. Give me a break.  I would you must be swinging around the rafters you are so happy . Murph where did I say I was happy but I am not depressed over a friendly match.   It’s football and I wanted us to win and I hope we win on Sunday but depression is OTT language.  I wouldn’t even be down about it never mind depressed.   We were very poor last night we have a weak squad that is going through a transition.  There isn’t much more to say beyond that.   Hopefully By the time of World Cup qualifiers the players will have progressed both at club level and as a unit and we start performing better individual and as unit.   Until then we just grin and bear it and put things in perspective.  Grin and bear it ehhh . Half my life i have never seen England beat us and last night we went down without much of a fight .

Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote: Dots1982 wrote: Four-Four-Two wrote: Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote: Four-Four-Two wrote: Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote: Four-Four-Two wrote: Left foot wrote: Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote: Claret Murph wrote: Not going to read back over 400 posts but still depressed after last night .  We looked fine until the goal then we were a beaten side . I’m still angry about that first goal. You would normally back Duffy in those situations. We were playing well up to this point. It was the type of goal we should be scoring. I've made the mistake of watching the first goal again. It was such a soft goal to conseed. Duffy completely culpable. Overall we deserved nothing from the game but Duffy's form is costing us. culpable how? he was beaten in the air by one of the few players around who is better in the air than he is. this happens, duffy wins 95%+ of the headers hes involved in, but you cannot win 100% particularly against a guy like maguire who is exceptionally dominant What! Look at it again. That was Duffy fault all day long. He was in the right position, goal side and just in front of Mcguire. He could see the cross coming and knew where maguire was. A 6ft 4 defender needs to win that 100% of the time.  maguire is also a 6foot4 defender, so both cannot win it 100% of the time??? But Duffy has the huge advantage in that he doesn’t need to control his header. He just needs to get something on it. Given his position was perfect he needs to win that.  He completely misses the header.  that is no advantage at all, you made a illogical argument and you only realise it now! you say a 6foot4 defender must win 100% of headers, but clearly this can never be the case with 2 6foot4 defenders competing together. duffy is usually excellent on the air, it just happens he came against one of the few in the world who is better. there is no fault in losing an aerial dual to maguire, it happens to pretty much every player he faces in every game Of course it’s an advantage. Fcuk sake. It’s obvious to anyone how being able to get a clearing header is easier than a header towards a defined area like a goal. This is what happens when people who never played football think they know the game.