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Territorial
Jack Charlton Joined: 25 Nov 2014 Status: Offline Points: 5817 |
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Last night you had 47% possession against a moderate team (ranked 56), 52% in Dublin. And barring a pretty awful Bulgaria, your other games have been similar. Of course it will take time for SK to transform the team, which probably means waiting for the youngsters to come through. But even assuming the FAI gives him that time, and the players are good enough, the big problem with youngsters is that they can lose heart if they are regularly getting beaten during the necessary transition period. I always think back to Sammy McIlroy's time in charge of NI. The players all liked him, he was always enthusiastic and tried to play an attacking brand of football, but in the end the players lost confidence in him, then in themselves. And bringing in new/young players (often to replace senior players who'd stopped turning up) made no difference either. By contrast, even when Michael O'Neill wasn't getting results in his early days, he never "lost the dressing room", primarily because the core of his team stuck with him. The crucial factor being that these were the senior guys like Davis, Evans, McAuley, Brunt and Hughes etc - the younger guys followed their lead.
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Left foot
Ray Houghton Joined: 16 Aug 2019 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Providing 2 examples of possession football doesn't translate to a win, villa vs Liverpool and man utd vs Tottenham is a very poor analysis.
Everyone agrees that you can win a game with 5% possession but if two teams played each other 50 times the win ratio would look more like 49-1 in favour of the team with the 95% possession Better teams control the ball.
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MayoMark
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Correct, but a team who dominates the ball, more often than not, will increase their chances of winning. There will always be exceptions to that but they are in the minority of cases. We had a team who were chronically bad at keeping the ball and it made us ridiculously predictable (down to management orders, I should add). Any improvement in this regard is welcome.
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They finally did it man... They killed my f**kin' car...
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Territorial
Jack Charlton Joined: 25 Nov 2014 Status: Offline Points: 5817 |
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I make no comment whatever on SK's suitability for the job, since I've really only seen brief highlights of your games. But possession is only ever a means to an end, not an end it itself. For example, when Villa thrashed Liverpool 7-2 the other week, they only had 30% possession. This was under a manager, Dean Smith, who made his name at Brentford playing passing, possession football. By contrast, when Spurs hammered Man U at OT the same day, they had 62% possession, under a manager renowned for teams which are happy to concede possession, defend deep and hit teams on the break. One of the greatest illustrations of the importance (or otherwise) of mere possession was seen when Chelsea, managed by Di Matteo, played Guardiola's Barcelona in a CL Semi-Final at home in 2012. They won 1-0 (Drogba), despite conceding 79.1% possession to Barca. Chelsea had 1 shot on target, 2 off target and 1 blocked. By contrast, Barca had 6 on target, 8 off target and 10 (TEN) blocked:
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bohsbrother
Joe Lapira Joined: 09 Oct 2020 Status: Offline Points: 11 |
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It's good to see the 2 sides here, the ones that style over the result and the ones that want the results no matter the style.
We have to take into consideration, our results were close to as bad with the hoof style football (We only beat the last ranked team in our group twice and the second last once and drew with them), at least in the recent past. We haven't been able to score from play on a regular basis in a LONG time and now we don't even have strikers that are great in the air for the hoof into the box, if we were to hoof it into the box we would still struggle to score. Separately, Kennys been cursed that our set piece takers haven't been able to hit duffys head or score a free kick. I'd expect the appointment of Kenny was done with the ambition of changing our style of play which would lead to results improving and less backs to the wall football so calling people "football snobs etc..." for saying the style has changed rapidly is ignoring one of the reasons that the manager came in. From my side it's still a huge work in progress but I see good improvement. With us not being at the Euros I'd hope we can play in a tournament with a few teams and play a few non-competitive games to try things out. I think Byrne would have got a run against Finland with a striker in front of him, with McGoldrick dropping deep it would nullify the effectiveness of Byrne. Horgan gives an option for what Kenny wants, he's direct and has the pace to worry defences. I think we can see why Maguire didn't get a run in Kennys Dundalk team and he won't get much of a look in his Ireland one either. Jury is out on the whole midfield, but we've found one or 2 players that will be the backbone of the team over the next number of years. Molumby, O'Shea and Connolly will only improve from playing games.
If Kenny has learned a few players that aren't good enough or suited to his style then the games have been worthwhile. Edited by bohsbrother - 15 Oct 2020 at 3:59pm |
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Terzino
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Once Kenny has a settled eleven, and we move the ball a bit quicker, I think that will be sorted. One of the interesting things to see in the future will be how we react to taking the lead. Normally we retreat after scoring a goal. If we continue to create chances, that will be a big change in the psychology of the team.
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9fingers
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Football is supposed to be played with the ball
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MayoMark
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It shows a clear improvement in one aspect of our game. That's a good thing surely?
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They finally did it man... They killed my f**kin' car...
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FrankosHereNow
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bundy
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Right and what good is that to us?
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Dots1982
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People just like to give out about Brady. His left foot for crossing is a decent tool. Stuck his penalty away in Slovakia and was the one I had no worries about missing. He’s a good footballer, but I think he’s collecting a wage at burnley and in a comfort zone at club level. You say that putting away chances is out problem but I think creating chances in quick succession is a big problem aswell, our chances are always created 15-20 mins apart. We aren’t blitzing defence enough, we give them too much time to regroup and reorganize.
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Bru
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I agree, It was painful turning up to the Aviva watching that month after month for the past few years. We are creating good chances at the moment instead of these 50-50 crosses and punts up field. Stick with it !!!
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Terzino
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The results have been disappointing so far, but the performances have been encouraging. For the first time in ages you can feel optimistic about the future.
And to me, the argument over passing versus long-ball is redundant, because we are passing the ball up the pitch quite well. A long-ball may get the ball forward quicker, but you have a very good chance of losing possession. We don't have a traditional target man either. So what would be the point of going direct? Also, long-ball is judged on how many chances you create. But that is not our problem at the moment. Our problem is putting away the chances we make. So we need to find the right personnel to fill the forward roles. The criticism of Brady's set-pieces is also something I don't get. He put two corners onto the heads of Doherty and Duffy, and the Duffy chance should have been scored. In other areas of his game he can be a bit mixed, but his set-pieces are still good. Overall, the team is clearly moving in the right direction. Kenny needs to tweak some things. He doesn't need to revert back to a more direct style in an effort to get results.
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Left foot
Ray Houghton Joined: 16 Aug 2019 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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It seems to me that some people have actually forgotten how bad we've been for the last few years?
I remember when we beat Gibraltar 2-0 that there was real frustration about how desperately bad we were in possession of the ball. It actually felt like we lost the game. We won the game but it was clear that we were in a terrible mess and the comments on here reflected that. Contrast that with the Finland game, we lost and its sickening but I feel we're going to get better. As people have stated, its a results game, but with better performances come better results.
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Claret Murph
Paul McGrath Hmmm, Goodness, I must say Joined: 16 Apr 2009 Location: Tibet Status: Offline Points: 15686 |
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Sean Dyche grossed £3,952,000 last year , i think includes everything .
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Southstandman
Davey Langan Joined: 18 Aug 2020 Location: dublin Status: Offline Points: 802 |
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This is the first time I have ever seen Ireland play a passing game and look like they actually trained together . Far better to watch than some of the mind warping dross we have endured in the past . I would back Kenny to carry on for a few tournaments and see how he does . To the much respected well travelled fans on here I would say dont worry lads , what your seeing from the team is football . What you have become accustomed to is sh*te . Back Kenny and that will encourage the team ,,ok then.
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We are Shamrock Rovers we"re Irelands number 1 .
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TooOldForThis
Liam Brady Joined: 07 Sep 2020 Status: Offline Points: 1154 |
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From Richard Dunne:
"I’d love to see us play possession-based football and that we win the game. At the moment, we just haven’t got over the line and finished off the chances we’ve created. I get that there’s a change and a new style we want to get, but it can’t sort of overtake the fact that we need results and for us to progress and qualify. We need results, not performances"
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Stickittotheman
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I would agree with this somewhat but by the same token zero goals and zero wins in the first 5 games is not great. It has been good to see us actually play some decent stuff but to be honest I would prefer hoof ball and results a la MON 2015-16 rather than good football and nothing to show for it. I hope we can get the balance right.
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Walters coming back from an offside position but Shane Long was definitely onside- Shane Lonnggggggg.... has done it!!!!
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