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Posted: 18 Oct 2020 at 12:41am |
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Ridiculous post. Selective smattering of results. Leaving out the good results. Could do the same for Alex Ferguson or Klopp or from Charlton's time in charge of Ireland. Utter dross.
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I’m for Kenny getting time but saying O’Neill was a failure is nonsense, we hadn’t beat a higher ranked team competitively before him for 14 years. He beat 5, including the world champions. Hadn’t beaten a higher ranked team away in 26 +years, he done it twice in his stint. Got us to the last 16 of the euros and we gave a good account of ourselves and went out with pride. |
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I support Kenny but that is a disaster of an opinion. Thankfully Kenny will very much care where the passes actually get us.
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100% agree. Kenny is a breath of fresh air. |
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I don't think any previous Ireland manager has had to cope with the level of disruption Kenny had over these 3 games. The number of withdrawals of key players was unprecedented and even in tournament football, having 3 games in 6 days is very uncommon.
Despite all of the above, and the belief instilled in many by previous managers that we don't have the players to play anything other than hoofball, Kenny has turned us in to a passing team. Those pass completion stats are incredible and I don't give a f**k which third of the pitch they were in. Do you think all of Spain's passes were in the final third? Give me a break. Kenny is a breath of fresh air. Once we have a full squad to pick from the results will come and when the 21s qualify for the Euros, we'll have something to get excited about next summer as we watch the next generation on the big stage.
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Dots1982
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unfortunately in the Kenny era the problem isn’t just winning, its worst than that. We don’t score.
So let’s just move on from somehow trying to favourly compare this era to martin O’Neill’s or mick’s era. Let’s just concentrate on the now. We are obsessed with previous managers and what they say and do. It’s like footballing PTSB.
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It's frightening when you read a Planning post for amusement and find yourself agreeing with it.
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planning
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What did we get to show for it in those years? 2015: Ireland 1-1 Poland Ireland 1-1 Scotland Poland 2-1 Ireland Bosnia 1-1 Ireland 2016: Ireland 1-2 Belarussia Ireland 0-3 Belgium Serbia 2-2 Ireland Or even 2017: Ireland 0-0 Wales (v 10 men) Ireland 0-1 Iceland Ireland 1-1 Austria Georgia 1-1 Ireland Ireland 0-1 Serbia (v 10 men) Denmark 0-0 Ireland Ireland v Denmark 2nd Leg. Not too many wins for the Hoofball Henrys from that lot. I think I'll pass on 2018. MON won 1 of his first 9 games in charge, but kept his job for 5 years over 3 campaigns. One thing he was not short of, was time. I think Kenny needs rather longer than 5 games to put a long term strategy in place, and front foot tactics more advanced than planting the ball on Duffy's head in the last 10 minutes. We need root and branch reform of how we play, not another quick fix who fixes nothing at all.
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Give Kenny the qualifiers without doubt. Kenny got the job mainly on his successes at Dundalk. It must be said that in the latter years there, he had the biggest budget and best players in the league as evidenced by so much success.He won't have the best players at international level and will have to work with what he has. While his earlier successes at Dundalk merit more credit, after all he assembled a good team from a group of LOI journeyman on a shoestring budget. He was able to coax improved performances from the players he had. In the games for Ireland to date we can see he is trying to establish a structure and tactical formation. The key question is can he improve the players to a degree to make his systems deliver winning matches. How long will the players stay in board with Kenny if we keep losing to teams like Finland ?
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Claret Murph
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As we all know the FAI are broke so he is save enough . Aagin as you know in todays game lose 3 game and the fans want change , now in the case of Watford that idea go's out the window .
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notpropaganda73
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I agree with that as well in fairness, but I think it's only fair to give Kenny a fair crack at this before calling for his head. It seems to me the reactions to the last five games are way way OTT versus what has been happening on the pitch. If we get to this time next year and still no goals or wins then I'll be very worried, but I don't think that is likely.
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Claret Murph
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You are so right NP as how many times have you heard someone saying fine margins , close to every weekend . The goal at Villa Park when playing Sheff Utd that was a goal and it kept Villa up and look at them at the moment . But if you keep falling on the wrong side of the line offten enough you lose your job . Football is about results , now i know lots on this thread think otherwise but that's what it comes down to . You are only as good as your last match also .
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notpropaganda73
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The frustrating part of this point for me is that had Hourihane or Browne put away their chances against Slovakia, nobody would be labouring this point. We have created chances with this style of play, we need to finish them.
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notpropaganda73
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I 100% agree with you, I want to see goals and results but I can see that there is a change of style happening so I'm not expecting things to happen overnight. What I get frustrated with is a run of poor results and people are saying to sack it all off, when jesus christ we have played horrible stuff for a long time and no results to show for that either. At least *try* something different and give it a chance. The fact you have to go back 4/5 years for the last time we had the right balance of sh*te football/good results is an indicator that maybe give the good football/bad results a little bit of time to see if those results can improve.
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Territorial
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Nor did your examples prove anything in themselves either, which was my point.
... first, then do something constructive with it next. Which was my next point. It's like someone boasting that he posseses more books in his library than anyone else. It means nothing if he hasn't read them all, never mind understood them. And in any case, ROI's possession stats under SK haven't been anything to write home about, so far at least. Edited by Territorial - 15 Oct 2020 at 6:24pm |
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Sammy McIlroy was a pretty skilful player himself, a striker-turned-midfielder who learned his game during 11 years and 400 games at Old Trafford (the last player Sir Matt Busby signed for them, in fact). It wasn't his playing style or principles which hampered him, rather the players eventually concluded he simply wasn't up to the task. Meanwhile, he was succeeded by Lawrie Sanchez, who significantly improved the team using petty much the same players, but with a style of play which was more Jack Charlton than Pep Guardiola! Key to this transformation was David Healy, who as another Man U graduate, was a pretty technical player himself. Healy played all through the record-breaking goal drought under McIlroy (1,298 minutes!), but soon started breaking scoring records of the welcome sort under Sanchez.
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Sammy McIlroys team would be around 2004/2005 ?? Most players now are coached a more technical style of football. Young or Old, they want to express themselves and the way you do that is with the ball...
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