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Borussia
Roy Keane Joined: 14 Oct 2010 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 10764 |
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In fairness, what they test at the combine (which is what he did) mostly tests natural ability and attributes that are different to what the top GAA players would be required to have.
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Aiden O'Shea would hardly be the best example 😅 |
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Kevin Kilbane Joined: 13 Jun 2011 Location: Villarrica Status: Offline Points: 287 |
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They aren't 'natural' they are trained and coached. He was way out of his depth, which in fairness would be expected. It wouldn't be fair to expect him to excel in a professional environment like that. Also, the idea that if you speak truth to the GAA you somehow hate it is nonsense. I played Gaelic football for years as underage, go to watch my county in the c'ship every summer .....I've even been to more than a handful of O'Byrne cup games for my sins!!
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Baldrick
Robbie Keane Peyton-tly Pedantic Joined: 18 Sep 2008 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 32815 |
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You are ignoring the simple fact that resting and recovery is part of being a professional athlete. It’s a key part. GAA lads whether they are driving or working in an office or a building site or a student are not resting and recovering. This is backed up by any GAA inter county players I have spoken to. They should be admired and cheered on for what they do. But to compare them to professional athletes is stupid and actually unfair on them in a way. But the comparison comes mostly from some GAA diehards who do not like football and love to have a pop at the Premier league and rich footballers.
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AKA pedantic kunt
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Roberto Baggio
Robbie Keane UNBELIEVABLE JEFF Joined: 28 Jan 2010 Status: Offline Points: 37348 |
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Just like most big games then
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The O'Shea
Jack Charlton I know everything and I’m NEVER wrong Joined: 16 Aug 2013 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 9563 |
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If you put a peak Seamus Coleman, Roy Keane, Liam Brady in an NFL combine they'd be "badly shown up", it's a glamour exercise for genetic freaks geared towards entertainment with little application to the NFL itself let alone soccer or Gaelic. I'd hardly be holding Aiden O'Shea up as an example of an extremely fit GAA player either, he's a target man/battering ram. It would be a bit like holding up Alan Lee as an example of soccer players general fitness levels.
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We're decent enough..
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thebronze14
Jack Charlton Derry City Til I Die Joined: 22 Feb 2011 Location: Dublin/Donegal Status: Offline Points: 7180 |
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To be fair he could be known as the Toughest...To year in year out come back after crushing disappointment and know you are going to encounter more crushing disappointment with no chance of success takes a special breed
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Bukowski
500 Club la la la Joined: 06 Jun 2013 Status: Offline Points: 507 |
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A few years back I heard a piece on the radio about many of the top world table tennis players coming from one small area of Britain. Turns out it wasn't generational genetic Darwinism or something in the water, it was facilities and coaching. If we improved facilities and coaching for kids playing soccer we'd have better adult soccer players, it's not rocket science. Here's an article on the table tennis - I haven't read it all but the first few paragraphs get to the point.
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"The third path to wisdom is experience, and is the most bitter."
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The Huntacha
Roy Keane Joined: 27 Mar 2012 Location: Dubai Status: Offline Points: 12798 |
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Philly McMahon has spoken on podcasts (one being the House of Football with Eric Lawlor and Alan Cawley) about he differences he seen from his time with Dublin to being part of the Bohs set up and acknowledged that both sets of players just excelled at what was needed for their sport. It’s not a case of one being more athletic than the other. The footballers had better balance and bigger calves which enabled more explosive change of direction where as the GAA players had better upper body strength and were more able to sustain longer distance runs.
It’s about whatever is more suited to the demands of the sport a player participates in rather than any specific metric of athleticism.
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Faisal978
Joe Lapira Joined: 26 Dec 2021 Status: Offline Points: 4 |
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Ditching it for something more "blood and thunder" seems like a step backward.
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Bukowski
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Rake of articles in the Indo on the subject of the lack of investment in football in Ireland, and how we're slipping below the event horizon with dwindling numbers of decent senior level players. Apologies if this has already been posted to the forum - didn't see it anywhere. |
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"The third path to wisdom is experience, and is the most bitter."
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razzmatazaz
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Great movie BTW.
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GaretFarellysNutSack
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As I was saying before. Georgia are good now, Luxembourg are probably better than us. All down to investment and good management. We're going nowhere but south lol. The deep south.
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Wheelo
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The lack of investment is an absolute disgrace. Both government and fai need to take responsibility and sort out football in ireland once and for all. Its depressing seeing how other countries are investing in football and we still can't get decent jacks in league of ireland stadiums or run decent academies, etc
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"Not surprised you are anti foreigner in your so called Kip of a town when you don’t want a manager because he is Swedish and you want big Sam in charge" - a fine post from a fine ybig poster
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JurgenKloppsTeeth
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Hopefully the penny will drop soon that investment in the underage academy structures and the LOI is the only viable solution to our long term aspirations at senior level. The diaspora strategy and the “let the Brits coach our youth” strategy are both busted flushes now with continually dwindling returns.
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thebronze14
Jack Charlton Derry City Til I Die Joined: 22 Feb 2011 Location: Dublin/Donegal Status: Offline Points: 7180 |
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and people are more worried about us capping some mediocre English born players with Irish roots from the lower leagues and that will sort out our ills.
Great to see more people out supporting the LOI but it highlights the facilities or lack of. One of the biggest clubs in Ireland having to reverse their fixture because their pitch is a mess and the other club having to move it to the afternoon because they have no lights is a sad indictment of where we're at. That's before we see the lack of coaches being paid to improve standards in the country. Said years ago we were going to sink fast as there was no structure in place. Brexit has probably accelerated it too
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The Huntacha
Roy Keane Joined: 27 Mar 2012 Location: Dubai Status: Offline Points: 12798 |
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The amount of money they’re looking for is so small in the grand scheme of things. And it should only be needed for a certain amount of time, after which it should start financing itself with player sales. It’s not like it’ll need to be propped up forever like horse racing.
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Terzino
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The truth is that British clubs and the diaspora and have done the heavy lifting for Ireland.16 of the 22 man squad that reached the Quarter-Finals of Italia 90 were born in Britain (including Dave O'Leary and Paul McGrath). Ireland was the first team to not bring a player from a domestic club to a World Cup.
Most were fine with this, but that source has largely dried up. English clubs are so rich they can source their players from anywhere, and the diaspora players (Grealish, Rice, Kane, Bellingham etc) don't want to play for Ireland anymore.
It was a good run while it lasted. If not for this form of parasitism, Irish football history would probably look similar to Finland's. The only bright spot is the LOI and the hope that it will, in time, operate as a springboard to a new era of Irish football. |
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