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Maccatacca
Ray Houghton Joined: 01 Jun 2016 Status: Offline Points: 4217 |
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What sports do we punch above our weight in?
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Mr. Snrub
Liam Brady Joined: 12 Mar 2016 Location: Co. Dublin Status: Offline Points: 2081 |
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We were a poverty stricken country for most of the 20th century so we should be proud of being one of the wealthiest countries today.
I completely agree, the lack of investment in football is not good enough. Was more commenting on the general state of the nation |
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"Here's Robbie Keane...... yeeeessss! That is no more than Ireland deserve!"
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nice triangles
Kevin Kilbane Joined: 13 Jun 2011 Location: Villarrica Status: Offline Points: 288 |
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We are not a tiny island nation .....roughly 11th largest island on the planet. We are also a very wealthy country, 3rd wealthiest in the world - GDP Per Person. Admittedly its a terrible measure, but by any reasonable measure we are a wealthy country. We should be doing a lot better. The lack of a league with 10-15 full time professional squads with academies attached is a major drawback.
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Mr. Snrub
Liam Brady Joined: 12 Mar 2016 Location: Co. Dublin Status: Offline Points: 2081 |
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Ireland punches above it's weight in so many field's.
We are the biggest nation of moaners and begrudgers. Yes we get a lot wrong but we get a hell of a lot right. Not bad for a tiny island nation |
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"Here's Robbie Keane...... yeeeessss! That is no more than Ireland deserve!"
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t_rAndy
Robbie Keane Joined: 06 Feb 2008 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 26293 |
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I think Irish people have a deep rooted small man mentality/inferiority complex that holds us back on achieving our full potential. We are happy to stick with the status quo rather than taking risks and aiming for better things.
"Sure we'd never be able to develop the next Messi, pick the big fella instead who can whack the ball up the pitch away from the goal to make sure we don't get beat". "Metro system for Dublin? ah that's a pipe dream we'd never be able to build something like that here, or we need to hear from everyone first and get their buy-in so we dont upset anyone" (30 years later still talking looking to appease everyone) "Build a new city in middle of ireland and build a high-speed train system linking the regional cities, ah no that's a bit sophisticated for little old Ireland, leave that to the Germany's and France's of this world." |
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King_Kenny
Liam Brady Joined: 31 Aug 2019 Location: Claudy Status: Offline Points: 2513 |
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The Irish striker runs after defenders. The rest of the world strikers runs away from them.
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Terzino
500 Club la la la Joined: 06 Apr 2016 Status: Offline Points: 667 |
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John Aldridge scored, something like, 7 goals in 5 games against Barcelona for Real Sociedad, but at Italia 90 he didn't score and never looked like scoring.
There's something going on here!
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Trap junior
Robbie Keane YBIG Minister of Doom & Gloom Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Irish Riviera Status: Offline Points: 39931 |
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I cant understand how in what 140 odd years we have produced the sum total of 4 half decent goalscorers Don Givens Frank Stapleton Niall Quinn Robert Keane |
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Terzino
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Duff put in one of the all time attacking Irish performances when he terrorised the Spanish back in 2002. However, Shels are a standard, functional LOI team - nothing like the old Duff.
Rugby doesn't have to be skill free. France, Fiji, Japan or Portugal can play a risky type of game that Ireland never would. Hurling hasn't been destroyed, like Gaelic Football, because mass defence is a useless tactic. It's probably not an accident that this game is ancient - it's creation predates the national fear of being creative or taking a risk. And if you are creative then you directed towards the arts. Ireland produces writers and actors, not ball players. We are cleaning up at the Oscars, but we don't have a midfield - it can't be a coincidence!
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uibhfaillian
Kevin Kilbane Joined: 12 Sep 2013 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 253 |
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We could be like Kilkenny and just play hurling for men and camogie for the women and play nothing else. We'd be the best in the world at hurling.
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Trap junior
Robbie Keane YBIG Minister of Doom & Gloom Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Irish Riviera Status: Offline Points: 39931 |
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I will make the exception for Glorious Granard.
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"The third path to wisdom is experience, and is the most bitter."
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Kevin Kilbane Joined: 13 Jun 2011 Location: Villarrica Status: Offline Points: 288 |
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Richie Sadlier said same when he came back after he retired from playing. He said when he left to go to England teenagers here were training 2 nights a week and a game at the weekend. He came back ten years later it was the very same - even for the top level of young lads here. Meanwhile over in Millwall the u-10s trained 5 nights a week and a game at the weekend. Whatever your opinion on whats "too much" - its that level of hours spent from a young age that produces "talented" players - look at the amount of good young players England produce. Theses are a direct result of all the academies, attached to professional clubs, across England - with kids putting in the hours similar to Millwall from a young age. Duff tried to implement similar at Shamrock Rovers when he was there, taking his learnings from England - straight away he got big push back from parents. A lot of people here think anything approaching serious commitment is "too much". If we want to produce a consistent production line of good players this attitude needs to change.
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razzmatazaz
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You're underselling Longford, Trap.
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Trap junior
Robbie Keane YBIG Minister of Doom & Gloom Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Irish Riviera Status: Offline Points: 39931 |
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Various theories. Our political parties are conservative. Irish people dont like people to have notions about themselves so any creativity or showboating is seen as getting above your station and knocked out of you. Being hard is valued over having flair. Our Gaelic sports are designed for the muck savage mentality. Whack the ball up the field and rough up the opposition. Whacking people with sticks, shoulder barges etc. Rugby is popular here because it requires f**k all skill and all effort and strength. If you are big, strong, fat and can catch a ball you can play it. Paddy has never been a fan of sophistication. Our cities are ugly with no nice architecture that was ever designed by a Paddy. We lampoon pints and kebabs. We are a fairly unsophisticated race and not a proactive one. We didnt have a motorway int he country until the 1990s about 60 yrs behind the Germans and 40 behind the Brits. We lag behind all the other countries when it comes to infrastructure. We only ever produced Liam Brady in all the time who would be considered a cultured footballer. Possibly Duff. |
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Roberto Baggio
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We're good at taking long throw ins though
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Terzino
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It's actually worse than that. The men and the women have managed a combined 1 goal in 8 games.
There is some strange national aversion to risk at work that becomes very obvious in sport. Football teams have always struggled to score - apart from Robbie Keane, who was a complete freak in Irish terms. The rugby team - functional. Gaelic football - taken over and ruined by defensive tactics. The women's hockey team reached a world cup final by grinding out penalty shoot-out wins. The nick-a-goal cult is everywhere!
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zizu Kilbane
Jack Charlton Joined: 23 Oct 2007 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 8384 |
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That's a rough statistic
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