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Jack Charlton Joined: 05 Sep 2010 Status: Offline Points: 6773 |
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The successful ones, mostly. People were generally happy enough when both Trap and MON were hired for instance, and that was justified in both cases by subsequent tournament qualifications.
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Het-field
Roy Keane By Appointment to His Majesty The King Joined: 08 Mar 2016 Status: Online Points: 10344 |
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People were ecstatic with Trapp, apart from the fact that he was known for being conservative. It took four years for the mentality to shift. MON was generally sweet until 2017, so was in the job 4 years before fans turned.
Most were happy with those appointments that yielded two Euros and two WC Play Offs.
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Trap junior
Robbie Keane YBIG Minister of Doom & Gloom Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Irish Riviera Status: Offline Points: 39478 |
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Most managers best time in charge is in the first 4 years. After that it goes stale. Players get tired of hearing the same message so either get new players in or they get you out. I remember hearing about Arrigo Sacchi at AC Milan. His first 2 or 3 years were phenomenal but the training was really intense and the players after a while got sick of the relentlessness effort of it and the team went a bit dodgy and then he was appointed Italy manager
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Liam Brady Joined: 07 Sep 2020 Status: Offline Points: 1153 |
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If you have an actual counter argument to the points raised by these posters maybe you might attempt to make it? But instead we get personalised insults such as childish muck.
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Het-field
Roy Keane By Appointment to His Majesty The King Joined: 08 Mar 2016 Status: Online Points: 10344 |
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Big Jack was really exceptional. In reality it was 8 years before anybody thought of a future beyond Jack, and even at that it wasn’t really spoken of. In modern times, I think he might have gone after the WC. But in those days managers were there longer, and it was only after the wheels came off totally that fans were probably agreeable to opening a new chapter.
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TooOldForThis
Liam Brady Joined: 07 Sep 2020 Status: Offline Points: 1153 |
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Just curious but was Jack the first manager in international football to deploy a high press?
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Trap junior
Robbie Keane YBIG Minister of Doom & Gloom Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Irish Riviera Status: Offline Points: 39478 |
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He liked to claim he was. I'm not sure tbh.
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Het-field
Roy Keane By Appointment to His Majesty The King Joined: 08 Mar 2016 Status: Online Points: 10344 |
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I recall on the video ‘The Charlton Years’ that we got for free at the Russia friendly in 1996, he certainly mentioned that FIFA called it ‘pressing’ and that was referring to Ireland’s strategy to ‘Put em under pressure’. It was see as the first time it was referred to. So the legend is creditable.
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Trap junior
Robbie Keane YBIG Minister of Doom & Gloom Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Irish Riviera Status: Offline Points: 39478 |
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Portugal friendly 1996
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Het-field
Roy Keane By Appointment to His Majesty The King Joined: 08 Mar 2016 Status: Online Points: 10344 |
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Are you sure!?! The ticket stubs for the Russian game were slightly smaller than was the style at the time due to the voucher that was handed in to redeem the video. I’m open to correction, and it might have been given out twice. But I got it at the Russia game and didn’t go to the Portuguese one!
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Robbie Keane YBIG Minister of Doom & Gloom Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Irish Riviera Status: Offline Points: 39478 |
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You are right actually. Was at both of them but thought I picked it up at the Portugal game but I am mistaken.
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BabbsBalls
Moderator Group Joined: 12 Feb 2009 Location: Ireland Status: Online Points: 10221 |
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If Saipan is our main talking point during a world cup in 2022, yes, we definitely should.
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l hear you are a racist now, father ?
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Terzino
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"Put 'em under pressure" has probably been around since football started to develop different tactics and strategies.
However, if you were to credit it to one country then Holland would have to be the stand out. There's loads of footage from the 1974 World Cup of them hunting and harrying opponents for the ball. And from that team there is a straight line from Cruyff to Barcelona, and their great teams of the recent past, who had "the 6 second rule" or their own version of "put 'em under pressure".
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Liam Brady Joined: 25 Aug 2021 Status: Offline Points: 1028 |
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Souness handled that very well Roy says WC shouldn't be in Qatar. So what is Roy doing in Qatar????
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Paul McGrath Just can't get enough of lists Joined: 14 Jan 2009 Status: Offline Points: 15235 |
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This
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'Irish' Songs for an Irish team - no SPL EPL generic sh*te
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Yes it's so sad that that's the most active thread at the moment. Nothing to be excited about right now when it comes to our international team. No hope on the horizon. Pretty much zero decent prospects. Sigh.
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eddiebro
Kevin Kilbane Joined: 16 Jan 2019 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 220 |
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There’s an argument also that the lower English leagues don’t compliment the more technical less physical aspects of the international game and we should be encouraging our young players to go to Belgium, Holland and other leagues that will compliment this aspect of their game more that the rough and tumble of league 1 with limited prospects for promotion outside of the championship.
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Bukowski
Kevin Kilbane Joined: 06 Jun 2013 Status: Offline Points: 491 |
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No hope on the horizon. Pretty much zero decent prospects. Sigh. I feel exactly the same way. Just watched Germany tear Japan apart time after time, it's out to the full back, then forward to a midfielder, forward, back, forward, back, shot, rinse repeat. It's so fast. We'd be circling back around then maybe eventually a cross would come in from near the corner flag. We are so far from being able to play at this level it's frightening. We should be encouraging our young players to go to Belgium, Holland and other leagues. Absolutely. In every facet of life we would be better served looking beyond the UK when we can. Look how much better than us the US men's team are now! - most of them play in Europe. |
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"The third path to wisdom is experience, and is the most bitter."
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