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a good october for us will be crucial not only for next summer but also for the winter of 2022.   Really is one of the most important months for irish football on the field and unfortunately it comes really early in a reign that is about rebuilding the whole setup..  
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

a good october for us will be crucial not only for next summer but also for the winter of 2022.   Really is one of the most important months for irish football on the field and unfortunately it comes really early in a reign that is about rebuilding the whole setup..  

Yep, we play two teams ranked above us in quick succession.
If losses pile up then so does our fall further into Pot 3.

This upcoming three-game window is therefore important for several reasons and can define the next two years really.
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Originally posted by rolo rolo wrote:

Updated (correct!) seedings for the draw:

Current seedings based on September rankings published next week. I actually had them right. One issue is Ireland are one point less than I had them. I had Ireland at 1475.6 and so marked them up to 1476 but actually I had based that on a starting point of 1486 before the games were played but they had started on 1485 point something and been marked up to 1486, so that affected the sums.


Portugal and Spain overtook Croatia. Switzerland dropped 3 places. Very tight at the bottom of Pot 1.
Could yet be a big name in Pot 2.

Luxembourg move up to Pot 4. Cyprus drop down to Pot 5.




1 Belgium 1773
2 France 1744
3 England 1664
4 Portugal 1653
5 Spain 1642
6 Croatia 1628
7 Italy 1612
8 Netherlands 1603
9 Germany 1602
10 Switzerland 1600
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11 Denmark 1593
12 Sweden 1567
13 Poland 1558
14 Wales 1550
15 Ukraine 1539
16 Austria 1505
17 Serbia 1486
18 Turkey 1485
19 Russia 1485
20 Romania 1483
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21 Slovakia 1479
22 Rep of Ireland 1475
23 Northern Ireland 1468
24 Iceland 1457
25 Norway 1452
26 Czech Republic 1446
27 Scotland 1428
28 Bosnia and Herzegovina 1426
29 Hungary 1418
30 Greece 1413
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31 Finland 1390
32 Bulgaria 1378
33 Montenegro 1376
34 Slovenia 1368
35 North Macedonia 1351
36 Albania 1351
37 Belarus 1282
38 Georgia 1274
39 Israel 1265
40 Luxembourg 1237
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41 Cyprus 1236
42 Armenia 1215
43 Faroe Islands 1191
44 Estonia 1188
45 Azerbaijan 1179
46 Kosovo 1167
47 Kazakhstan 1156
48 Lithuania 1093
49 Latvia 1076
50 Andorra 1076
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51 Moldova 959
52 Liechtenstein 932
53 Malta 917
54 Gibraltar 886
55 San Marino 811
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Where did you get these from? I'm working off two different models and the numbers don't match either
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Originally posted by davereilly davereilly wrote:


Where did you get these from? I'm working off two different models and the numbers don't match either

I actually compiled the seedings list myself, based on the September FIFA rankings. They are published on the 17th September but are on the football rankings info site. They match with the ranking points I had worked out over the last week or so for the teams in 17th to 24th place. But he has ranking points done for all 210 teams so I compiled a complete seedings list for the 55 European teams.
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

a good october for us will be crucial not only for next summer but also for the winter of 2022.   Really is one of the most important months for irish football on the field and unfortunately it comes really early in a reign that is about rebuilding the whole setup..  

Massive month next month for us. Three crucial games.
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Not even a decent trip in that poxi pot 2
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Originally posted by TBWRA TBWRA wrote:

Not even a decent trip in that poxi pot 2


Russia, Poland, Ukraine, Romania and Serbia would be quality. Vienna is good craic too
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Switzerland
Austria
Ireland
Luxembourg
Latvia
Malta 


Wouldn't be the worst of groups. (There's no "handy" 2nd seeds IMO and Swiss probably the top seed to get to a certain extent given the other options)


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Originally posted by gmfc90 gmfc90 wrote:

Originally posted by TBWRA TBWRA wrote:

Not even a decent trip in that poxi pot 2


Russia, Poland, Ukraine, Romania and Serbia would be quality. Vienna is good craic too


Jaysis the football trips are so far out of my mind at the moment Embarrassed
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2nd place isn't automatically qualified either is it?
Wouldn't like a play off against any of those 2nd seed teams.
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Originally posted by TBWRA TBWRA wrote:

Not even a decent trip in that poxi pot 2
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Originally posted by darmack darmack wrote:

2nd place isn't automatically qualified either is it?
Wouldn't like a play off against any of those 2nd seed teams.


I would bite your hand off now for a playoff against any of those 2nd  pot teams.  We are hardly going to win the group. 
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TBH not much in it between the pot 2 and pot 3 teams, wouldnt bother me too much if ended up in pot 3
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So in layman's terms what would be the minimum results we would need in the 3 October games in order for us to bump ourselves into Pot 2 for the draw? 

Could a playoff win and 2 draws in the Wales/Finland games be enough or would we most likely need 4 points in the NL double header? 
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Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

So in layman's terms what would be the minimum results we would need in the 3 October games in order for us to bump ourselves into Pot 2 for the draw? 

Could a playoff win and 2 draws in the Wales/Finland games be enough or would we most likely need 4 points in the NL double header? 

That's just impossible to answer tbh. It all depends on how we do and other games, too much variables for my poor spreadsheet to answer.

Realistically we need to beat Slovakia, get 4 points from Bulgaria and Finland, and at least 2 from Wales. Can´t say for sure but I think that would make us safe.
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Originally posted by davereilly davereilly wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

So in layman's terms what would be the minimum results we would need in the 3 October games in order for us to bump ourselves into Pot 2 for the draw? 

Could a playoff win and 2 draws in the Wales/Finland games be enough or would we most likely need 4 points in the NL double header? 

That's just impossible to answer tbh. It all depends on how we do and other games, too much variables for my poor spreadsheet to answer.

Realistically we need to beat Slovakia, get 4 points from Bulgaria and Finland, and at least 2 from Wales. Can´t say for sure but I think that would make us safe.

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Originally posted by djhegzy djhegzy wrote:

TBH not much in it between the pot 2 and pot 3 teams, wouldnt bother me too much if ended up in pot 3

I'd agree with this. 2/3rd seeds are pretty much the same. I wouldn't cry if we ended up as 3rd seeds.
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by darmack darmack wrote:

2nd place isn't automatically qualified either is it?
Wouldn't like a play off against any of those 2nd seed teams.


I would bite your hand off now for a playoff against any of those 2nd  pot teams.  We are hardly going to win the group. 

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