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Originally posted by flaghunter flaghunter wrote:

Rolo and Dave keeping track this window?

Football rankings have us sneaking 20th (and second pot) with defeats to England and Wales, and a win against Bulgaria. That includes a penalty shoot-out win for the Pub Team tonight against Slovakia.


So we need a draw in that game, and to try sneak a result in one of these games in the UK.
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Barring a significant upswing in our fortunes, we will be in Pot 3.
How we haven't slipped into it yet after 5 poor results is testament to how bad the teams around us are also doing.
But all our buffer has been erased so we are just about to drop in with a few more negative results.
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Originally posted by Roberto_Carlow Roberto_Carlow wrote:

Originally posted by Englishborn Englishborn wrote:

no offence but how the hell are Ireland  20th

No offence taken. The rankings are based on coefficient points secured, and when this has been calculated , we are 20th.

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If Slovakia beat NI in the play off and have terrible NL could we still possibly stay in Pot 2?
Assuming we don't have terrible NL results. 
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Originally posted by Englishborn Englishborn wrote:

no offence but how the hell are Ireland  20th

No offence taken. The rankings are based on coefficient points secured, and when this has been calculated , we are 20th.
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Originally posted by Englishborn Englishborn wrote:

no offence but how the hell are Ireland  20th
Because we have more ranking points than the teams below us.
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no offence but how the hell are Ireland  20th
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Can we make pot 2 if we lose tonight. 
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Updates as of last night's friendlies:

1BEL1768
2FRA1744
3ENG1669
4POR1662
5ESP1639
6CRO1632
7DEN1614
8ITA1613
9GER1611
10NED1597
11SUI1585
12POL1573
13SWE1554
14WAL1550
15UKR1534
16AUT1526
17SRB1489
18TUR1488
19RUS1480
20IRL1467
21SVK1466
22ISL1461
23ROU1459
24NIR1458
25NOR1456
26SCO1446
27CZE1443
28HUN1439
29BIH1424
30GRE1411
31FIN1410
32SVN1374
33MNE1367
34MKD1356
35BUL1355
36ALB1348
37GEO1287
38ISR1275
39BLR1270
40LUX1244
41CYP1222
42ARM1215
43FRO1187
44EST1184
45AZE1177
46KAZ1155
47KVX1155
48LTU1111
49LVA1073
50AND1064
51MDA954
52MLT939
53LIE925
54GIB888
55SMR809
No changes to the pots themselves, but Finland edging close to pot 3


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Originally posted by flaghunter flaghunter wrote:

Rolo and Dave keeping track this window?

yep, I'll post nightly updates
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Rolo and Dave keeping track this window?
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Originally posted by davereilly davereilly wrote:

No, friendlies count under the new system. There was a flaw in the old system where if you played a friendly and used more than three subs, then the points were voided. That is now gone.

The calculation itself to count the difference between the teams and the points awarded for that is too complicated to explain here, but that difference is then multiplied based on the importance of the match in question (5 for friendlies outside the international window, 10 for friendlies in the international window, 15 for NL Group matches, 25 for NL Playoff/Final, Euro and WC qualifiers)

TL/DR: https://img.fifa.com/image/upload/edbm045h0udbwkqew35a.pdf
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Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by davereilly davereilly wrote:

Originally posted by Deco79 Deco79 wrote:

Friendly with England announced Confused

Great Confused a win is worth 6.84, a draw 1.84 and a loss -3.16
To put that into perspective, a win against Luxembourg would have given us 3
I could be wrong, but did FIFA not change their ranking process in mid-2018(?) to one nearer that of UEFA, by discounting Friendly matches?

Certain countries - notably Romania and Wales, possibly also Iceland - had "gamed" the previous FIFA system by avoiding Friendlies altogether, since wins got you sod-all, whereas draws or defeats cost you.

If so, then this England/ROI match shouldn't affect your ranking points.

No, friendlies count under the new system. There was a flaw in the old system where if you played a friendly and used more than three subs, then the points were voided. That is now gone.

The calculation itself to count the difference between the teams and the points awarded for that is too complicated to explain here, but that difference is then multiplied based on the importance of the match in question (5 for friendlies outside the international window, 10 for friendlies in the international window, 15 for NL Group matches, 25 for NL Playoff/Final, Euro and WC qualifiers)

TL/DR: https://img.fifa.com/image/upload/edbm045h0udbwkqew35a.pdf
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Originally posted by davereilly davereilly wrote:

Originally posted by Deco79 Deco79 wrote:

Friendly with England announced Confused

Great Confused a win is worth 6.84, a draw 1.84 and a loss -3.16
To put that into perspective, a win against Luxembourg would have given us 3
I could be wrong, but did FIFA not change their ranking process in mid-2018(?) to one nearer that of UEFA, by discounting Friendly matches?

Certain countries - notably Romania and Wales, possibly also Iceland - had "gamed" the previous FIFA system by avoiding Friendlies altogether, since wins got you sod-all, whereas draws or defeats cost you.

If so, then this England/ROI match shouldn't affect your ranking points.
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https://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/uefa-preliminary-draw-for-fifa-world-cup-2022tm-to-take-centre-stage-on-7-decemb

Wasnt just reported it was announced by fifa.   Rankings as of the 26th of november  
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Originally posted by Newryrep Newryrep wrote:

7th Dec being reported as when the draw will be made  - on a Monday - a bit surprising
So i take it the next 3 games we play will all count for our rankings
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7th Dec being reported as when the draw will be made  - on a Monday - a bit surprising
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