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Posted: 01 Sep 2020 at 2:29pm |
lassassinblanc wrote:
irishmufc wrote:
kevin100 wrote:
[QUOTE=Dots1982][QUOTE=kevin100]
Yeah Bulgaria would be one of the weaker sides in the B section and had a shambolic qualifying campaign but they still got 7 points against England Czech Montenegro and Kosovo they aren’t exactly atrocious sides. That Bulgaria team would still be superior nicely to the Georgia side that played us off the park in Tbilisi last October.
Perspective is needed and reality is we could play fantastic football create chances dominate and draw or lose to a jammy goal. Outside the few top nations the gap between let’s say the 6th ranked team and the 30th ranked team in Europe isn’t huge and anyone of them can catch the other on any given day in a one off game we have done this to Germany Italy Wales etc over the years despite been run over in possession and chances stats and we ain’t immune from being on the receiving end of it.
International football is a step up for a young player mentally but is it a big step up from top flight football in England Spain Germany Italy and France nowadays quality wise I’m not so sure. |
We don't tend to beat these type of sides away from home historically and I do think Bulgaria will be a completely different animal this time round especially when both teams have new managers. There's no way they'll be as bad as the friendly last time out.
A one nil away win would do nicely and I'd take it now tbh. Bulgaria will not lie down to us and get thumped 3-0 in their own place. I can't see that happening. |
Also to point out Bulgaria got 6 points in their group
0 against England 3 against an already qualified Czech Rep 1 against Kosovo 2 against Montenegro
I agree with Muff though I can't see us going out and winning 3-0.
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Okay 6 points I’d still regard them as certainly better than Georgia let’s say who played us off the park in Tbilisi
I’d be very happy with 1-0 too main thing I’m looking for is us to get on the ball create chances and dominate possession etc.
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Posted: 01 Sep 2020 at 2:34pm |
kevin100 wrote:
lassassinblanc wrote:
irishmufc wrote:
kevin100 wrote:
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Yeah Bulgaria would be one of the weaker sides in the B section and had a shambolic qualifying campaign but they still got 7 points against England Czech Montenegro and Kosovo they aren’t exactly atrocious sides. That Bulgaria team would still be superior nicely to the Georgia side that played us off the park in Tbilisi last October.
Perspective is needed and reality is we could play fantastic football create chances dominate and draw or lose to a jammy goal. Outside the few top nations the gap between let’s say the 6th ranked team and the 30th ranked team in Europe isn’t huge and anyone of them can catch the other on any given day in a one off game we have done this to Germany Italy Wales etc over the years despite been run over in possession and chances stats and we ain’t immune from being on the receiving end of it.
International football is a step up for a young player mentally but is it a big step up from top flight football in England Spain Germany Italy and France nowadays quality wise I’m not so sure. |
We don't tend to beat these type of sides away from home historically and I do think Bulgaria will be a completely different animal this time round especially when both teams have new managers. There's no way they'll be as bad as the friendly last time out.
A one nil away win would do nicely and I'd take it now tbh. Bulgaria will not lie down to us and get thumped 3-0 in their own place. I can't see that happening. |
Also to point out Bulgaria got 6 points in their group
0 against England 3 against an already qualified Czech Rep 1 against Kosovo 2 against Montenegro
I agree with Muff though I can't see us going out and winning 3-0.
I'd be happy with 1-0 |
Okay 6 points I’d still regard them as certainly better than Georgia let’s say who played us off the park in Tbilisi
I’d be very happy with 1-0 too main thing I’m looking for is us to get on the ball create chances and dominate possession etc. |
I reckon Georgia are a better side, they've a few players at half decent Russian teams.
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Hotlips_Hoolahan
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Posted: 01 Sep 2020 at 2:34pm |
horsebox wrote:
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The doomsday scenario some people proposed once Keane winded down and retired hasn't really materialised, thankfully.
Qualified for Euro 2016 and got out of the group stages. Poland scored way more than every other team but Ireland only had 5 less goals than Germany for instance.
Qualified for the WC 2018 playoffs in a really difficult group. Again, Serbia scored significantly more than every other team but we scored roughly the same amount of goals as Austria and Wales.
We'll have to qualify for Euro 2020 through the backdoor after a poor sequence of results and a lack of goals, but we got what we set up for in 3 of the 4 matches against the good teams - narrow score draws. The Georgia and Gibraltar performances were abysmal and we only scored once over two games against the Georgians, but we have traditionally struggled to break them down, even needing a dodgy penalty during Keane's heyday.
Overall, I'd say it's much of a muchness since Keane retired in terms of goalscoring and results. We're still scoring goals. We're doing as well as we ever have against the bigger sides (even winning occasionally). We still win the games against the teams seeded directly below us more often than not.
IDK. Maybe we'll have a delayed reaction to Keane's retirement and the '16 and '18 campaigns were just aberrations.
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I'm not sure I follow. I was just saying we qualified for Euro 2016, qualified for the World Cup 2018 playoffs, and may still qualify for Euro 2020, reinforcing my belief that the doom and gloom re: Robbie's retirement was overstated. We remained competitive with the teams seeded around us and, until McCarthy's tactical aneurysms, generally scored as many as they did [apart from Poland who had Robert Lewandowski up front].
Yes. He played some part in Euro 2016 qualification. He scored a few goals against Gibraltar. He's the difference between us beating them 7-0 and beating them 2-0 but we still beat them.
Jon Walters, Shane Long and Daryl Murphy all stepped up to the plate with vital goals. And I'm going to go out on a limb and say that we will start scoring even more goals with Stephen Kenny in charge, proving the folly of Mick McCarthy's negativity.
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Posted: 01 Sep 2020 at 2:36pm |
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Has Robbie been called up again? |
You'd be forgiven for thinking so.
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Posted: 01 Sep 2020 at 2:55pm |
horsebox wrote:
Dots1982 wrote:
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his goal record since 2000 against first and second seeds in qualifying groups in his entire career consists of one vs Netherlands, one vs Italy and one vs Sweden. Shane long with far less caps and being far more capable of making a contribution from general play scored group goals vs Russia, Poland and Germany. When Robbie was a first choice he blanked vs Switzerland (2 groups), Russia (2 groups, Bulgaria (one group) Czech rep (1 group), Slovakia (one group)
He scored a lot of goals but he wasn’t a clutch player against the best teams in the qualifying groups. I also believe he badly depended on the right partner and the likes of Clinton Morrison wasn’t that.
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Shane Long has 5 competitive goals in 13 years.
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And two of those goals were key in qualifying us to 2016 which is the name of the game. |
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20% of all Longs international goals have come against reigning world champions in qualification campaigns. Unbelievable record.
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Posted: 01 Sep 2020 at 3:03pm |
sausy wrote:
horsebox wrote:
Dots1982 wrote:
horsebox wrote:
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his goal record since 2000 against first and second seeds in qualifying groups in his entire career consists of one vs Netherlands, one vs Italy and one vs Sweden. Shane long with far less caps and being far more capable of making a contribution from general play scored group goals vs Russia, Poland and Germany. When Robbie was a first choice he blanked vs Switzerland (2 groups), Russia (2 groups, Bulgaria (one group) Czech rep (1 group), Slovakia (one group)
He scored a lot of goals but he wasn’t a clutch player against the best teams in the qualifying groups. I also believe he badly depended on the right partner and the likes of Clinton Morrison wasn’t that.
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Shane Long has 5 competitive goals in 13 years.
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And two of those goals were key in qualifying us to 2016 which is the name of the game. |
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20% of all Longs international goals have come against reigning world champions in qualification campaigns. Unbelievable record. |
3.4 goals?
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Posted: 01 Sep 2020 at 3:08pm |
Think the spastic list needs to be rewritten and Dots1982 should become honorary President.
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Posted: 01 Sep 2020 at 3:12pm |
Yiksheemash wrote:
Think the spastic list needs to be rewritten and Dots1982 should become honorary President. |
You make a reasoned argument based on stats and people behave like they’re seven years of age.
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Posted: 01 Sep 2020 at 4:10pm |
The people who think Shane Long has a better record for Ireland than Robbie Keane must be the same people that think 5G masts are going to kill them.
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Posted: 01 Sep 2020 at 4:20pm |
You Tell Me wrote:
The people who think Shane Long has a better record for Ireland than Robbie Keane must be the same people that think 5G masts are going to kill them. |
What people? Nobody said that.
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Posted: 01 Sep 2020 at 4:37pm |
So Keane isn't a clutch player
Goa in 2002 world cup playoff v Iran to take us through
3 goals at world cup including last min v Germany and again last min v Spain
Goal at home against Yugpslavia in huge home game goal Goal in world cup playoff v France in 2009.
Last min goal v Italy in world cup qualifier
Goal against Turkey in 1999 in euro 2000 playoff
Goal v Estonia in 2011 playoff for euro 2012.
That is not mention the qualification goals v Holland and Russia Sweden and Israel.
So sorry dots you are talking rubbish
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Posted: 01 Sep 2020 at 4:45pm |
Baldrick wrote:
So Keane isn't a clutch player
Goa in 2002 world cup playoff v Iran to take us through
3 goals at world cup including last min v Germany and again last min v Spain
Goal at home against Yugpslavia in huge home game goal Goal in world cup playoff v France in 2009.
Last min goal v Italy in world cup qualifier
Goal against Turkey in 1999 in euro 2000 playoff
Goal v Estonia in 2011 playoff for euro 2012.
That is not mention the qualification goals v Holland and Russia Sweden and Israel.
So sorry dots you are talking rubbish
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Posted: 01 Sep 2020 at 4:45pm |
Baldrick wrote:
So Keane isn't a clutch player
Goa in 2002 world cup playoff v Iran to take us through
3 goals at world cup including last min v Germany and again last min v Spain
Goal at home against Yugpslavia in huge home game goal Goal in world cup playoff v France in 2009.
Last min goal v Italy in world cup qualifier
Goal against Turkey in 1999 in euro 2000 playoff
Goal v Estonia in 2011 playoff for euro 2012.
That is not mention the qualification goals v Holland and Russia Sweden and Israel.
So sorry dots you are talking rubbish
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What's Robbie Keane ever done for Ireland I'm surprised so many Imanagers had the nerve to pick him for Ireland.
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Posted: 01 Sep 2020 at 5:03pm |
Baldrick wrote:
So Keane isn't a clutch player
Goa in 2002 world cup playoff v Iran to take us through
3 goals at world cup including last min v Germany and again last min v Spain
Goal at home against Yugpslavia in huge home game goal Goal in world cup playoff v France in 2009.
Last min goal v Italy in world cup qualifier
Goal against Turkey in 1999 in euro 2000 playoff
Goal v Estonia in 2011 playoff for euro 2012.
That is not mention the qualification goals v Holland and Russia Sweden and Israel.
So sorry dots you are talking rubbish
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Poor enough record in qualifiers vs 1st and 2nd seeds was what I said. Gave the list of rival group teams he blanked against. Also what I said was he didn’t score he didn’t contribute much. It’s not an outrageous view.
He had a great record of scoring in playoffs when we got there.
we didn’t qualify for anything during his peak years. If Richie Sadlier had being able to fill in for Niall Quinn then we could have made it to at least one more championships. Clinton Morrison and Robbie had no relationship on the field and it cost us.Unfortunately fate didn’t smile on Sadlier with injuries.
He never scored competitively vs Russia by the way.
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Posted: 01 Sep 2020 at 5:12pm |
Dots1982 wrote:
Baldrick wrote:
So Keane isn't a clutch player
Goa in 2002 world cup playoff v Iran to take us through
3 goals at world cup including last min v Germany and again last min v Spain
Goal at home against Yugpslavia in huge home game goal Goal in world cup playoff v France in 2009.
Last min goal v Italy in world cup qualifier
Goal against Turkey in 1999 in euro 2000 playoff
Goal v Estonia in 2011 playoff for euro 2012.
That is not mention the qualification goals v Holland and Russia Sweden and Israel.
So sorry dots you are talking rubbish
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Poor enough record in qualifiers vs 1st and 2nd seeds was what I said. Gave the list of rival group teams he blanked against. Also what I said was he didn’t score he didn’t contribute much. It’s not an outrageous view.
He had a great record of scoring in playoffs when we got there.
we didn’t qualify for anything during his peak years. If Richie Sadlier had being able to fill in for Niall Quinn then we could have made it to at least one more championships. Clinton Morrison and Robbie had no relationship on the field and it cost us.Unfortunately fate didn’t smile on Sadlier with injuries.
He never scored competitively vs Russia by the way. |
Home against russia in euro 2012 qualifier
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Posted: 01 Sep 2020 at 5:25pm |
Anyone questioning Robbie Keane in an Irish shirt needs their head examined.
68 goals for such an average international team. Nobody will every get near his record.
He scored against plenty of the big sides - Germany, Italy, Holland (2), Yugoslavia, Turkey, Spain, France & Oman. We'll never see the likes of it again. The service wasn't good enough for years and they tried so many players to partner the man - Morrison, Elliott, Doyle, Cox, Long, Walters, Lee, Doherty, Duff & Quinn who was arguably the only striker who brought the best out of him.
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Posted: 01 Sep 2020 at 5:27pm |
seanyshuffler wrote:
Dots1982 wrote:
Baldrick wrote:
So Keane isn't a clutch player
Goa in 2002 world cup playoff v Iran to take us through
3 goals at world cup including last min v Germany and again last min v Spain
Goal at home against Yugpslavia in huge home game goal Goal in world cup playoff v France in 2009.
Last min goal v Italy in world cup qualifier
Goal against Turkey in 1999 in euro 2000 playoff
Goal v Estonia in 2011 playoff for euro 2012.
That is not mention the qualification goals v Holland and Russia Sweden and Israel.
So sorry dots you are talking rubbish
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Poor enough record in qualifiers vs 1st and 2nd seeds was what I said. Gave the list of rival group teams he blanked against. Also what I said was he didn’t score he didn’t contribute much. It’s not an outrageous view.
He had a great record of scoring in playoffs when we got there.
we didn’t qualify for anything during his peak years. If Richie Sadlier had being able to fill in for Niall Quinn then we could have made it to at least one more championships. Clinton Morrison and Robbie had no relationship on the field and it cost us.Unfortunately fate didn’t smile on Sadlier with injuries.
He never scored competitively vs Russia by the way. |
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Sorry, right, I remembered it that Shane Long won the pen and scored it but it was Robbie who scored it
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