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I remember Ole saying something about not needing trophies to show progress. Poch said something similar. I'm not sure if its just a concept that comes with modern football, and ECL qualification, but historically Man United coming second in the league, particularly in the 1990s and 2000s was a failure. Ferguson was particularly capable at responding to that and turned second in 1995 into a double in 1996, and second in 1998 into a treble in 1999. But for him it all started (at Man United) with an FA Cup, a ECWC and a League Cup. This all kept his cache up, and after the obvious disappointment in 1992, he turned it around and went and won the PL.

Ole seems to be doing enough to keep the job, but it really seems like Man United have managed their expectations downwards.
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David De Gea has conceded his last 36 penalties, that is a shocking stat.

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Villarreal's penalties must've been practiced ad nauseum. I thought virtually all of them were perfectly placed. I think a better goalkeeper would've won the shootout quicker for Villarreal. Goalkeeper should've done better on at least three of them.

Thought it was a curiously decent game between two well matched sides despite the lack of clear-cut chances.

Ole probably should've been more ruthless about replacing De Gea for the shootout.
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Rashford has put in one of the worst performances I can remember.

His miss was disgraceful. Any non-English player misses that and it would be spoken about for weeks, but it was barely mentioned in the commentary and analysis. I'd be interested to know if he was actually offside. 

It was a brutal broadcast, a lot of replays cut short or not shown at all, but loads of close-ups of players after chances missed or clearances made.
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Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Rashford has put in one of the worst performances I can remember.

His miss was disgraceful. Any non-English player misses that and it would be spoken about for weeks, but it was barely mentioned in the commentary and analysis. I'd be interested to know if he was actually offside. 

It was a brutal broadcast, a lot of replays cut short or not shown at all, but loads of close-ups of players after chances missed or clearances made.

Still waiting to see a still of the Cavani goal that went to a VAR check for offside
Was supposedly well onside, but showing a replay would have been nice 
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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Originally posted by The Huntacha The Huntacha wrote:

Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Rashford has put in one of the worst performances I can remember.

His miss was disgraceful. Any non-English player misses that and it would be spoken about for weeks, but it was barely mentioned in the commentary and analysis. I'd be interested to know if he was actually offside. 

It was a brutal broadcast, a lot of replays cut short or not shown at all, but loads of close-ups of players after chances missed or clearances made.

Still waiting to see a still of the Cavani goal that went to a VAR check for offside
Was supposedly well onside, but showing a replay would have been nice 
It was brutal tbf. The United peno call just before the goal was shown quickly once and then not shown again. It looked a peno I thought at the time
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A very poor game as well, nodded off just before ET and missed penalties! LOL
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I did think Pogba did very little just strolled around the pitch and give the ball away , i think he and Rashford should have gone off after 60 minutes
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Originally posted by 9fingers 9fingers wrote:

Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

David De Gea has conceded his last 36 penalties, that is a shocking stat.

Ole at the wheel.
That’s crazy LOL

It's actually 40 penos he's conceded. Didn't save any against Russia in the last World Cup either.
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

I remember Ole saying something about not needing trophies to show progress. Poch said something similar. I'm not sure if its just a concept that comes with modern football, and ECL qualification, but historically Man United coming second in the league, particularly in the 1990s and 2000s was a failure. Ferguson was particularly capable at responding to that and turned second in 1995 into a double in 1996, and second in 1998 into a treble in 1999. But for him it all started (at Man United) with an FA Cup, a ECWC and a League Cup. This all kept his cache up, and after the obvious disappointment in 1992, he turned it around and went and won the PL.

Ole seems to be doing enough to keep the job, but it really seems like Man United have managed their expectations downwards.



This is it.

I have a younger brother who supports United, he told me last night after the game that this season was a success as they had shown much improvement in the league. The truth of it is they were miles behind City and failed in every single cup competition, it’s embarrassing to see United fans count a trophy-less season as a success.


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But it WAS a successful season because Liverpool didn't win the league.  And let's face it, the way things are going with Ole, that's how Man Utd fans will define Premier League success for many years to come.
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Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

Man U should have never let that get to penalties.
Once they scored they were on top and they should have made changes to go for the win.

Ole didn’t take any risk and lost. If they can get Conte they should sign him up. 
What risk do ya think he could have taken? There wasn't much on the bench really was there?

It was a tough spot, do ya start Greenwood/Pogba or have hem as impact subs off the bench. Either way you're going to be second guessed
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I'm not sure I agree with the "they were great penalties" thing that the commentators were raving about.

Shaws definitely should have been saved, Bruno's too. A few of them were what would have been called "perfect height for a keeper" if the keeper had gone the right way. Some great finishes, but bar everyone hitting the target, there wasn't much special about them. Bruno should have missed, it'd have evded 5-4 and we'd never be talking about it
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Have to say I don't know what match Kerr and Delaney were watching last night with their non-stop praise of well United were doing. 

I thought Villareal had the measure of United and won everything in the air. When United were on top in the second half Emery proved he's a hell of a better tactician than Solskjaer with his subs and nullifying United in midfield. United might have had more possession and pressure in the second half but they were comfortable. Solskjaer made a couple of mistakes subs wise but that wasn't what lost United the game overall. Was genuinely pleased for Villarreal and especially Emery tbh who deserved their success last night.

He simply doesn't have a plan B when it's not working and seems to just make like for like subs with no change in approach or shape of the side. 

I think it's a huge blow for him not to have won the EL or FA Cup this season. 

If a better manager is available United should go for him but that won't happen for at least another season. 

I don't think he has it tactically but for a limited manager I think he has done a decent job overall. Unbeaten away this season and has handled the players brilliantly 

I would give Solskjaer 7/10 for the job he's done. I don't think United will ever win a champions league or premier league under him and given how we're going to see a resurgent Liverpool and Chelsea next season, United will be doing well to stay in the top 3/4 against superior managers, irrespective of who they recruit in the summer.



 
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Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

Man U should have never let that get to penalties.
Once they scored they were on top and they should have made changes to go for the win.

Ole didn’t take any risk and lost. If they can get Conte they should sign him up. 
What risk do ya think he could have taken? There wasn't much on the bench really was there?

It was a tough spot, do ya start Greenwood/Pogba or have hem as impact subs off the bench. Either way you're going to be second guessed

I think his starting 11 was the best available but they weren’t playing great and Pogba and Rashford were poor.

He should have replaced them with Mata and VDB for fresh legs around 70 mins when the tempo died down. 

Sticking with the same 11 for 100 mins is very odd.
If that was Stephen Kenny there would be lads here saying he should go back to LOI. 

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Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

I'm not sure I agree with the "they were great penalties" thing that the commentators were raving about.

Shaws definitely should have been saved, Bruno's too. A few of them were what would have been called "perfect height for a keeper" if the keeper had gone the right way. Some great finishes, but bar everyone hitting the target, there wasn't much special about them. Bruno should have missed, it'd have evded 5-4 and we'd never be talking about it

De Gea is cat melodeon at saving penos. Definitely a few he could've saved. Knew he was going to miss his penalty. 
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Originally posted by thebronze14 thebronze14 wrote:

Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Originally posted by The Huntacha The Huntacha wrote:

Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Rashford has put in one of the worst performances I can remember.

His miss was disgraceful. Any non-English player misses that and it would be spoken about for weeks, but it was barely mentioned in the commentary and analysis. I'd be interested to know if he was actually offside. 

It was a brutal broadcast, a lot of replays cut short or not shown at all, but loads of close-ups of players after chances missed or clearances made.

Still waiting to see a still of the Cavani goal that went to a VAR check for offside
Was supposedly well onside, but showing a replay would have been nice 
It was brutal tbf. The United peno call just before the goal was shown quickly once and then not shown again. It looked a peno I thought at the time

The cross from the right that hit the centre back's arm? 

Not for me. It hit his arm which was down at his side and he made no attempt to play it with his arm.

It would've been an incredibly harsh penalty decision tbh. 

Cavani's goal did look very tight as well. 


Edited by irishmufc - 27 May 2021 at 11:30am
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