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I have no idea as to Tommy Wright's political allegiances, past or present. He was on Linfield's books when they were an exclusively Protestant and bitterly ant-Catholic team but time moves on and I would think that crap of that nature has largely disappeared. NI teams were often handicapped by such sectarian attitudes. John Crossan, once of Sunderland and Manchester City, was once captain of NI and the sole Catholic in the team. He was reviled for missing a penalty once for NI and hounded for being on the wrong side of the sectarian divide. Others have had a lot to put up with in terms of abuse, including legends like Pat Jennings who were superb for the team. The likes of Billy ( pronounced ' Beely ' ) Bingham , Sammy McIlroy and Keith Gillespie amongst others had some questionnable views. Maybe that's all history, maybe it's not. The way forward for the future is surely an all-Ireland team.

Green Cockade wrote: I have no idea as to Tommy Wright's political allegiances, past or present. He was on Linfield's books when they were an exclusively Protestant and bitterly ant-Catholic team but time moves on and I would think that crap of that nature has largely disappeared. NI teams were often handicapped by such sectarian attitudes. John Crossan, once of Sunderland and Manchester City, was once captain of NI and the sole Catholic in the team. He was reviled for missing a penalty once for NI and hounded for being on the wrong side of the sectarian divide. Others have had a lot to put up with in terms of abuse, including legends like Pat Jennings who were superb for the team. The likes of Billy ( pronounced ' Beely ' ) Bingham , Sammy McIlroy and Keith Gillespie amongst others had some questionnable views. Maybe that's all history, maybe it's not. The way forward for the future is surely an all-Ireland team.

Territorial wrote: pre Madonna wrote: It isn't leading at all. It is unquestionably endorsing sectarian murder, no matter why he wore it. You can underline, embolden, italicise, post script and put whatever you want in brackets: it won't change that. My (Scottish) neighbour is a regular, practising Catholic. She wears a crucifix round her neck and a badge on her lapel to reflect that. Should I presume therefore that she endorses child abuse, on the basis that a (tiny) minority of priests and nuns abused children, whilst the hierarchy didn't always do all it could to stamp it out? I don't of course, and never would, and not because she's obviously a pleasant and kindly woman. Rather it's because it is outrageous to interpret such symbols to fit some pre-existing prejudice, all the more so if it's someone you don't even know. (And before you say it, that's not Whataboutery, it's Analogy)

pre Madonna wrote: Your argument here has been flimsy from the start. It is a simple question. Do you think someone can manager a football team in a statelet riddled with such a complex history without validating his reason to wear a symbol so divisive in that statelet's history. No analogies. No double standards. No whataboutery.  Nothing else only that. It is incredibly straightforward

There are different reasons why he might have worn the badge, some acceptable (eg remembrance), some unacceptable (eg endorsing sectarian murder).

The O'Shea wrote: Territorial wrote: pre Madonna wrote: It isn't leading at all. It is unquestionably endorsing sectarian murder, no matter why he wore it. You can underline, embolden, italicise, post script and put whatever you want in brackets: it won't change that. My (Scottish) neighbour is a regular, practising Catholic. She wears a crucifix round her neck and a badge on her lapel to reflect that. Should I presume therefore that she endorses child abuse, on the basis that a (tiny) minority of priests and nuns abused children, whilst the hierarchy didn't always do all it could to stamp it out? I don't of course, and never would, and not because she's obviously a pleasant and kindly woman. Rather it's because it is outrageous to interpret such symbols to fit some pre-existing prejudice, all the more so if it's someone you don't even know. (And before you say it, that's not Whataboutery, it's Analogy) Jesus man, even by your standards thats a horrifically weak analogy.

pre Madonna wrote: I can only assume he thinks I'm a Catholic and get annoyed by this, because none of it is remotely close to an answer.

pre Madonna wrote: Now, what other reasons could a football manager from County Antrim have for wearing a UDR badge nearly over 25 years after they were disbanded?

Territorial wrote: pre Madonna wrote: Now, what other reasons could a football manager from County Antrim have for wearing a UDR badge nearly over 25 years after they were disbanded? In memory of a friend or family member who served. Just the same as eg people wear Army/Poppy badges in memory of people who served in WWII, Korea, Falklands or Iraq, for instance. The point being that you don't know why he's wearing it, so you have no right to assume that it can only be because he "endorses the murder of Catholics". pre Madonna wrote: I love the continued deflection though. I'm not asking about any O'Neill! Can we stick to Wright, right? His friendship with Michael is not "deflection". Rather it is evidence that he doesn't hate Catholics. What evidence do you have that he does?