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Jack Byrne, has only played 5 competitive games since he started midfield vs New Zealand and I'd imagine the LoI will be much worse affected than the PL or Championship.
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As a result of Covid the 5 premier league subs has been approved, good opportunity for some of the younger lads coming through perhaps.

I'm thinking obafemi, kilkenny, connolly etc
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Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

As a result of Covid the 5 premier league subs has been approved, good opportunity for some of the younger lads coming through perhaps.

I'm thinking obafemi, kilkenny, connolly etc
That's a bizarre rule! What's the logic, other than they want to introduce it? 
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Funny enough, this type of thing actually weakens any claim to credibility.
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

As a result of Covid the 5 premier league subs has been approved, good opportunity for some of the younger lads coming through perhaps.

I'm thinking obafemi, kilkenny, connolly etc
That's a bizarre rule! What's the logic, other than they want to introduce it? 

It's temporary until the end of this season - Same in other leagues. It's basically to counteract the increased injury risk and the increased soft tissue injuries that have been seen in other leagues that have restarted already.
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Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

As a result of Covid the 5 premier league subs has been approved, good opportunity for some of the younger lads coming through perhaps.

I'm thinking obafemi, kilkenny, connolly etc
That's a bizarre rule! What's the logic, other than they want to introduce it? 

It's temporary until the end of this season - Same in other leagues. It's basically to counteract the increased injury risk and the increased soft tissue injuries that have been seen in other leagues that have restarted already.
Why is there an increase of soft tissue injuries because of Covid?
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We have played a huge chunk of the season with the three substitute rule, which has been in place since the 1990s. Some sides have to fill their existing benches with youth players and fringe players to make up the regulation number, while others will have substitutes that would walk into most other teams in the Premier League. All of a sudden, those players, who otherwise wouldn't have been introduced will be, and that can alter games and outcomes in a way that wasn't possible between August-March. Its a fundamental shift.
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It feels like yet another rule designed to help the super rich franchises. It is also fundamentally unfair to change the rules midseason. 
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

As a result of Covid the 5 premier league subs has been approved, good opportunity for some of the younger lads coming through perhaps.

I'm thinking obafemi, kilkenny, connolly etc
That's a bizarre rule! What's the logic, other than they want to introduce it? 

It's temporary until the end of this season - Same in other leagues. It's basically to counteract the increased injury risk and the increased soft tissue injuries that have been seen in other leagues that have restarted already.
Why is there an increase of soft tissue injuries because of Covid?
It not because of Covid but down to the players not being fully conditioned in the way they would be after a normal pre-season 
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Blatently it is to counteract the dual effects of:
1. A condensed game schedule
2. Decreased fitness following a prolonged break from training.

It's entirely unsurprising really, I'm not sure why it would cause a shock.
We're decent enough..
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

It feels like yet another rule designed to help the super rich franchises. It is also fundamentally unfair to change the rules midseason. 

All leagues are adopting it. And for the PL to adopt if, 14 teams would have had to have voted for it which they obviously have. It's ultimately for player protection so for those clubs who maybe rely heavily on one or two players, this may actually suit them better.

It's only a temporary measure anyways. 
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Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:



It's only a temporary measure anyways. 

Honestly, I would say that's the point.

Its a fundamental change to a key rule, which will allow bigger clubs empty their bench, while smaller clubs, may, in a material sense, only have two or three options from the bench, while the rest are PL2 players. It alters the course of a game, in a different level to what was applied throughout the season.

Also, why 5? Why not 4? Or 7. How is it judged that this will give appropriate respite? 
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That makes more sense, the initial post suggested it was due to Covid. I will remain sceptical though.
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:



It's only a temporary measure anyways. 

Honestly, I would say that's the point.

Its a fundamental change to a key rule, which will allow bigger clubs empty their bench, while smaller clubs, may, in a material sense, only have two or three options from the bench, while the rest are PL2 players. It alters the course of a game, in a different level to what was applied throughout the season.

Also, why 5? Why not 4? Or 7. How is it judged that this will give appropriate respite? 

If the "smaller clubs" (I'm surprised you can say that with a straight face considering EPL relegation fodder can often outbid former powerhouses on the continent...) are that hard up for players, it's likely their first 11 would be losing anyway regardless of how many subs are allowed.


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If the "smaller clubs" (I'm surprised you can say that with a straight face considering EPL relegation fodder can often outbid former powerhouses on the continent...) are that hard up for players, it's likely their first 11 would be losing anyway regardless of how many subs are allowed.

Its relative, so it can be said with a straight face. The gap in resources between some promoted teams, or annual PL "also-rans", and the likes of Manchester City is eyewatering. I appreciate that there are numerous teams in Europe that have fallen behind, and are now being outbid, but that is a product of modern football, and the rush towards the "Champions League".

However, if the likes of City can rest a group of players, for a game, and not be bound by previous rules, that can have a material difference. Equally if clubs can bring on a player (who is number 4/5) who proceeds to score, or set up a goal, that would be something which would not have happened prior to the shutdown, so its occurring on different terms.

There is agreement on this, however, I still feel that it is problematic, as it has the potential to impact games, in a way that traditionally it wouldn't.
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:



It's only a temporary measure anyways. 

Honestly, I would say that's the point.

Its a fundamental change to a key rule, which will allow bigger clubs empty their bench, while smaller clubs, may, in a material sense, only have two or three options from the bench, while the rest are PL2 players. It alters the course of a game, in a different level to what was applied throughout the season.

Also, why 5? Why not 4? Or 7. How is it judged that this will give appropriate respite? 

If the "smaller clubs" (I'm surprised you can say that with a straight face considering EPL relegation fodder can often outbid former powerhouses on the continent...) are that hard up for players, it's likely their first 11 would be losing anyway regardless of how many subs are allowed.

And if it was such an issue, why are most of these smaller clubs voting for this temporary rule change? 
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And if it was such an issue, why are most of these smaller clubs voting for this temporary rule change? 

Clubs can vote how they want. I still have an opinion on this, especially as I am still reticent to accept that the league should be back this quickly.
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Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:



It's only a temporary measure anyways. 

Honestly, I would say that's the point.

Its a fundamental change to a key rule, which will allow bigger clubs empty their bench, while smaller clubs, may, in a material sense, only have two or three options from the bench, while the rest are PL2 players. It alters the course of a game, in a different level to what was applied throughout the season.

Also, why 5? Why not 4? Or 7. How is it judged that this will give appropriate respite? 

If the "smaller clubs" (I'm surprised you can say that with a straight face considering EPL relegation fodder can often outbid former powerhouses on the continent...) are that hard up for players, it's likely their first 11 would be losing anyway regardless of how many subs are allowed.

And if it was such an issue, why are most of these smaller clubs voting for this temporary rule change? 
I would be curious about this too, but I guess we are unlikely to know.
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