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Originally posted by JUICEBOMB JUICEBOMB wrote:

Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

Qualifier against the Nordies from '89 on Eir tomorrow night 


Yeah a far better game than the England game in 90(from what I remember,it could also prove to be muck)....a game that we actually passed the ball around a bit and Whelan’s pass to sheedy is quality.

Getting back to that England game...I’d the misfortune of watching watford v Liverpool from 1986on eir1 (think it was an fa cup game,pool won 2-1) but my Jesus it was awful.liverpool had all there stars out and this was the team that went on to do the double...but like the 1990 match terrible game.do we forget how really bad football was back then or we fans just deluded by the success?

Well I'm watching plenty of old football right now and enjoying it.  Footballers are better athletes now, and its a bit quicker for sure, but the skill level isn't that much different, I actually prefered some of the physicality back then which is absent now.  If you don't like 20th century football that's fair enough and I'm sure some will agree with you, particularly those under 30, but I enjoy watching 80s & 90s football still, each to their own.

I've seen some of the 0-0's of Italia 90 like the QF Yugoslavia 0-0 Argentina AET, should be a stinker, wasn't amazing admittedly but it was still far better than England v Ireland horsesh*t.
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The players weren't all raised by corporate sponsors, only the really big games were treated as such. Actual tackles! People with a genuine love of the team watching it and having a connection with the players and the game hadn't become robotic and trained within an inch of their lives, so sometimes you saw a defender get beaten and didn't have fourteen pundits discuss why he got beaten from 57 different viewpoints. Pundits not talking about it it like it was Brexit or any other major issue but football, which they knew was really important, but not that important. 
I miss loving the game, instead of being in love with it and hating it.
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Watched the game with England from Italia 90 last night. First time in years. Possibly 20. Anyway, utter pig spunk in terms of quality but still loved it. The atmosphere, the players, the World Cup Clap
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Funny what i can remember from the night .
Now i do recall drinking before the game in a small bar where you had to go down a back street and in the back door . I was all set to go back to the campsite that night after the game then was told the ferry to Sicily was going to be held back so bolted back to the campsite packed up back to town and dropped my backpack in left luggage .
I remember about 100 English trying to murder anyone in Green on the way to the ground i saw one girl get hit by a car as trying to get out of the way of them , poor kid was limping every time i saw her afterwards .
As for the game recall very little if i am honest now remember the goal and the rain and the sad bunch of English fans at the end of the game . 
I was on the boat maybe 200 Irish were on in and everyone headed to the bar they had a TV and they showed the goals  , boy who put the ball in the English net ..............
Some night . That was the first time i have seen the game since the night itself boy poor football or what not liked anyone really cared . 
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I was sitting with about 100 irish fans on a grass mound close to stadium as we had gotten cans from shops that weren't supposed to be selling alcohol.
The English had met at the train station I think and marched on block to the stadium. Unfortunately that was en route to where we were. We could see all the National Front tops off skin heads up the front. "NO SURRENDER TO THE IRA". We started singing something like "IF YOU HATE THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND"... they ran at us and we just got as quick out of there as we coukd. Luckily they had run up a hill. They were nasty vicious f**kers and gave a few Paddies a few punches and kicks.
There was a lot of tension that time because of Provo bombing campaign in England.


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Yeah, I find football at the top level quite boring now. Everyone is so fit that you very rarely see a man being beaten by a bit of skill or a proper physical contest. Whenever I do watch a game it feels like the soccer riot in The Simpsons. That game is regarded as one of the worst, if not the worst, games every played at a World Cup, over here at least. We think of it as a decent result, but even a mention of it brings a grimace to most English football fans.

England changed their tactics after playing us and improved. They moved to a sweeper system that got the best out of Gascoigne and didn't really look back, even if they rode their luck a bit at times.

The worst game at a WC was Switzerland v Ukraine in 2006. 

In 1990, Uruguay v South Korea, Cameroon v Colombia, England v Belgium, and Argentina v Yugoslavia were games only suitable for bitesize highlights.

The offside rule was changed after the tournament. The backpass rule was brought in 2 years later. 
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Originally posted by Sharpshooter Sharpshooter wrote:

Went and watched France's two opening games of Euro 84.

France 1-0 Denmark
France 5-0 Belgium

First match was kinda of 'meh' I'd give it 6/10, second match was good, give it 8/10, although Belgium didn't really turn up so the contest quickly became over.  Platini got a hatrick but Giresse was the standout player for me, thought he was amazing.  Check out that second goal at 2:40 Clap


Do you know Euro 84 was never shown on UK TV?  Only tournament since 1980 they've never broadcasted.  Lot of controversy and I say regret from British broadcasters for that decision looking back now.  Did they actually show it in Ireland?


Didn't know it wasn't on in the UK. Was definitely on on RTE, France were superb in it. 
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Was it not the case they only showed the final live ? And showed the rest as highlights only
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Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

Was it not the case they only showed the final live ? And showed the rest as highlights only


The Brits showed two games live plus highlights. Pretty sure RTE showed more than that, can remember the semis and can remember the Danes standing out in the group stage as well as Platini running amok goal wise. 
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Sharpshooter Sharpshooter wrote:

Originally posted by JUICEBOMB JUICEBOMB wrote:

Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

Qualifier against the Nordies from '89 on Eir tomorrow night 


Yeah a far better game than the England game in 90(from what I remember,it could also prove to be muck)....a game that we actually passed the ball around a bit and Whelan’s pass to sheedy is quality.

Getting back to that England game...I’d the misfortune of watching watford v Liverpool from 1986on eir1 (think it was an fa cup game,pool won 2-1) but my Jesus it was awful.liverpool had all there stars out and this was the team that went on to do the double...but like the 1990 match terrible game.do we forget how really bad football was back then or we fans just deluded by the success?

Well I'm watching plenty of old football right now and enjoying it.  Footballers are better athletes now, and its a bit quicker for sure, but the skill level isn't that much different, I actually prefered some of the physicality back then which is absent now.  If you don't like 20th century football that's fair enough and I'm sure some will agree with you, particularly those under 30, but I enjoy watching 80s & 90s football still, each to their own.

I've seen some of the 0-0's of Italia 90 like the QF Yugoslavia 0-0 Argentina AET, should be a stinker, wasn't amazing admittedly but it was still far better than England v Ireland horsesh*t.
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The players weren't all raised by corporate sponsors, only the really big games were treated as such. Actual tackles! People with a genuine love of the team watching it and having a connection with the players and the game hadn't become robotic and trained within an inch of their lives, so sometimes you saw a defender get beaten and didn't have fourteen pundits discuss why he got beaten from 57 different viewpoints. Pundits not talking about it it like it was Brexit or any other major issue but football, which they knew was really important, but not that important. 
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Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

Was it not the case they only showed the final live ? And showed the rest as highlights only


The Brits showed two games live plus highlights. Pretty sure RTE showed more than that, can remember the semis and can remember the Danes standing out in the group stage as well as Platini running amok goal wise. 

Wasn't that the time Dunphy said Platini wasn't a great player?
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

Was it not the case they only showed the final live ? And showed the rest as highlights only


The Brits showed two games live plus highlights. Pretty sure RTE showed more than that, can remember the semis and can remember the Danes standing out in the group stage as well as Platini running amok goal wise. 

Wasn't that the time Dunphy said Platini wasn't a great player?

Would be like Dunphy to come out with that in a five game tournament where Platini scored 9 from midfield alright! LOL
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Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

Was it not the case they only showed the final live ? And showed the rest as highlights only


The Brits showed two games live plus highlights. Pretty sure RTE showed more than that, can remember the semis and can remember the Danes standing out in the group stage as well as Platini running amok goal wise. 

Wasn't that the time Dunphy said Platini wasn't a great player?

Would be like Dunphy to come out with that in a five game tournament where Platini scored 9 from midfield alright! LOL
I'm nearly certain it was before the final that year he said it. He definitely said it, it is on one of the many Dunphy YouTube compilations.
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

Was it not the case they only showed the final live ? And showed the rest as highlights only


The Brits showed two games live plus highlights. Pretty sure RTE showed more than that, can remember the semis and can remember the Danes standing out in the group stage as well as Platini running amok goal wise. 

Wasn't that the time Dunphy said Platini wasn't a great player?

Would be like Dunphy to come out with that in a five game tournament where Platini scored 9 from midfield alright! LOL
I'm nearly certain it was before the final that year he said it. He definitely said it, it is on one of the many Dunphy YouTube compilations.

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Yes, apart from the final group games when they were play simultaaneously, RTE showed all of Euro 84 live.  And thank god for that as, living in Newry, I wouldn't have been able to watch what turned out to be a brilliant tournament otherwise.
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France v Portugal in '84 was one of the greatest international games of all time. John Motson's commentary is suitably excited, especially for Platini's winning goal. 

The crowd and the colour and the atmosphere are indivisible from the match.

You don't get occasions like that now, because you don't get crowds and venues now like Marseille was that night, they're all played in boring FIFA land or UEFA land.


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I remember watching that semi (France v Portugal) with my brother as a 7 year old and thought it was the most exciting thing I ever saw. Watched highlights of it last week with my 12 year old and it completely stands up. Brilliant, brilliant match - would have it as possibly the best game I ever saw. Platini was great but Tigana was out of this world. And yes, Motsons commentary for the winner (which I half think I remember live - any chance they showed the semis live in the uk?) captures the excitement perfectly.

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Originally posted by rebelbrowser rebelbrowser wrote:

I remember watching that semi (France v Portugal) with my brother as a 7 year old and thought it was the most exciting thing I ever saw. Watched highlights of it last week with my 12 year old and it completely stands up. Brilliant, brilliant match - would have it as possibly the best game I ever saw. Platini was great but Tigana was out of this world. And yes, Motsons commentary for the winner (which I half think I remember live - any chance they showed the semis live in the uk?) captures the excitement perfectly.

No, the only games live in the UK were Spain v Germany and the final according to that guardian piece above. 

The match was live on RTE with highlights on BBC later that night. It was an absolute cracker of a game. 
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