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Drumcondra 69er
Jack Charlton Joined: 07 Oct 2009 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 7122 |
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Spot on although Aldo was a far better finisher for me. If Robbie could have finished like Aldo he'd probably have had 100 goals for us. Don't think Aldo would have missed Robbie's second chance in Paris for example. Robbie could do things Aldo couldn't but Aldo was a calmer finisher. Robbie was better when it was instinctive.
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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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I think Aldridge was a better finisher, Keane had a bit more skill and guile. There were very few better finishers than Aldo in football at the time.
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Baldrick
Robbie Keane Peyton-tly Pedantic Joined: 18 Sep 2008 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 32775 |
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Yeah I agree lads. Aldridge was brilliant himself rush and lineker were in the same class imo as strikers.
Poachers don’t really exist nowadays
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thebronze14
Jack Charlton Derry City Til I Die Joined: 22 Feb 2011 Location: Dublin/Donegal Status: Offline Points: 7170 |
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Football is allowed to be watched sober you knowModern day Irish games though are inadvisable. Just got through the first half. More exciting than I thought. Like watching the old matches before too much commercialism took over. Would have loved to have been at that World Cup
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Sharpshooter
Alan Kernaghan Joined: 20 May 2010 Status: Offline Points: 140 |
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So is it fair to say Ireland could've actually been a better attacking outfit and Charlton didn't get the best out of Aldridge? I get that he deliberately chose not to, but in hindsight I wonder if there are regrets from irish fans they weren't allowed to be more expansive.
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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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But the dilemma there is, and I'm sure it was Jack's argument at the time, if he changed the system to get the best out of Aldridge he would have weakened the system. Every player had to pull their weight, there was no room for artistry over effort, rightly or wrongly, and having a penalty-box striker, like Aldridge was, would have compromised that.
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Drumcondra 69er
Jack Charlton Joined: 07 Oct 2009 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 7122 |
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A lot of pundits believe that if Jack let the players off the leash more then they could have done better. That we had very good players like Brady, O'Leary, McGrath, Whelan, Lawrenson (in the early days) etc who were restricted. The counter argument is that after the disappointment of being fleeced out of a World Cup place in 82, those players were involved in two campaigns when we were absolutely abysmal before Jack took over. It's very debatable whether we could have been more successful than a last eight and last 16 of a World Cup and a width of a post and offside fluke away from the semis in Euro 88. Even missing out on Euro 92 came down to Dave O'Leary trying to play out of defence instead of hoofing into the stands away to Poland as Jack would have wanted. He came up with a system that other nations who had better technical players than us couldn't deal with. But we had better technical players than he allowed express.
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DeclanDaly
Ray Houghton Joined: 17 Oct 2013 Location: Boston, USA Status: Offline Points: 3254 |
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Aldo must have scored 100 goals sliding in at the back post for Tranmere. An absolute titan in the box
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Baldrick
Robbie Keane Peyton-tly Pedantic Joined: 18 Sep 2008 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 32775 |
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Same as today with other issues very easy to point out alternatives when you are not the one making the call.
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Claret Murph
Paul McGrath Hmmm, Goodness, I must say Joined: 16 Apr 2009 Location: Tibet Status: Offline Points: 15740 |
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Funny i always saw the best people i have ever met are the Dutch and the Kiwis .
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Claret Murph
Paul McGrath Hmmm, Goodness, I must say Joined: 16 Apr 2009 Location: Tibet Status: Offline Points: 15740 |
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Now i remember hanging with a big group of Dubs they went on the train and got there before me so headed down to the ground to get in line to get a ticket and the lads saved a spot for me in the queue so i managed to get a class 4 ticket ( the cheapest ) for behind the goals where the pens were taken and the rest as they say is history .
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McG
Moderator Group SISAO? What the hell is SISAO? Joined: 27 Jan 2008 Location: Christmas Island Status: Offline Points: 26989 |
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How many more goals would Aldo have registered if the modern day offside rule was in place? Always wonder. 25, 50, 75? Many mitigating factors of course and we will never know. Passes not played because he was offside, runs not made etc.
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oldbilly
Ray Houghton Joined: 30 Sep 2016 Status: Offline Points: 3251 |
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ah no, Aldridge was a canny striker,very very cute and sharp.hed have been fine. The bigger question is would Keane have gotten into that Liverpool side? Not a chance would be my take.
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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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I took that as being complimentary to Aldridge? Agree though, he wouldn't have, and that's no insult either!
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irishmufc
Robbie Keane I love Vulvas Joined: 09 Aug 2011 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 25079 |
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Glad you made this point as there's a lot of revisionism around Jack and the great Irish teams he was blessed with. I do think we tend to overrate how good our players were in Jack's time with the team itself and if it wasn't for Jack's conservatism we'd have done even better. It's certainly inarguable that the system Jack had us playing in didn't allow for or compliment the skill sets of players like Brady or goalscorers like Aldridge but the overall result was we were an effective unit both home and away. Brady in Dunphy's podcast the other day and who has all the reason in the world to have issues with Jack but even he made the point that once results started to improve, the players bought into Jack's system. Any gripes Brady or the other players had went to the wayside. |
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Sharpshooter
Alan Kernaghan Joined: 20 May 2010 Status: Offline Points: 140 |
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Interesting discussion guys.
I was debating recently with Everton fans about their 84-87 era when Lineker was there for the 85/86 season, the one season in that era Everton didn't win anything the team was literally built around Lineker as he scored 40 goals, but the argument Everton fans were making was that building a team around Lineker made them more one dimensional, not having enough variety or a plan B and hence when he flopped the team flopped, i.e. the 1-0 defeat to Oxford Utd (which he blamed on not having his lucky boots) which ultimately acted as the catalyst for losing the league title that season. When they had Andy Gray playing a more direct style, they won a lot more. Interesting argument not sure that is directly comparable in anyway to Jack's dilemma. Ireland ultimately did have a scoring problem though 6 goals in 12 games in tournaments, its hard to go deep in tournaments with that sort of ratio.
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Baldrick
Robbie Keane Peyton-tly Pedantic Joined: 18 Sep 2008 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 32775 |
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Similar argument with Ian Wright at Arsenal. They won the title in 1991. Ian Wright joined. He scores loads of goals for years but they don’t win the title. They win it again in 1998 when Wright is injured and out of the team for most of the season and Anelka comes in.
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Drumcondra 69er
Jack Charlton Joined: 07 Oct 2009 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 7122 |
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True. Although it's possible if you look at Greece in the 2004 Euros,particularly in the knock out phase. Greece 2 Portugal 1 Greece 1 Spain 1 Greece 1 Russia 2 Greece 1 France 0 Greece 1 Czech Republic 0 (AET) Greece 1 Portugal 0 Even that great Spain team won the 2010 World Cup with the below results. Spain 0 Switzerland 1 Spain 2 Honduras 0 Spain 2 Chile 1 Spain 1 Portugal 0 Spain 1 Paraguay 0 Spain 1 Germany 0 Spain 1 Netherlands 0 (AET)
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