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Sharpshooter
Alan Kernaghan Joined: 20 May 2010 Status: Offline Points: 140 |
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Bit harsh I think, that match was especially bad for even for that era, I have a dvd for that game with some ITV post match analysis complaining how shocking it was. Steve McMahon was interviewed the day after basically apologising for the style of football played. England however were completely unrecognisable in the semi final against Germany. One of the best performances I've ever seen from England, I thought they were excellent. BBC1 put on the two FA Cup semi finals from that year a couple of weeks back. Crystal Palace 4-3 Liverpool Man Utd 3-3 Oldham Much much better games, as good as any classics today still standing the test of time. The backpass rule absolutely had to go though, but football was still watchable back then. ITV/UTV are putting on the 1987 FA Cup Final tomorrow at 5pm incase anyone's interested.
Edited by Sharpshooter - 02 May 2020 at 4:37am |
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pre Madonna
Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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Yeah, I find football at the top level quite boring now. Everyone is so fit that you very rarely see a man being beaten by a bit of skill or a proper physical contest. Whenever I do watch a game it feels like the soccer riot in The Simpsons. That game is regarded as one of the worst, if not the worst, games every played at a World Cup, over here at least. We think of it as a decent result, but even a mention of it brings a grimace to most English football fans.
England changed their tactics after playing us and improved. They moved to a sweeper system that got the best out of Gascoigne and didn't really look back, even if they rode their luck a bit at times.
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Mr. Snrub
Liam Brady Joined: 12 Mar 2016 Location: Co. Dublin Status: Online Points: 2064 |
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This might be a silly question but is it thunder that strikes during Linekar's and Sheedy's goals? Always thought it was some sort of flare in the crowd but it seems crazy timing that thunder sounded as each ball went in the net.
The match was fairly awful, both teams were very sloppy in possession. The hoofball is hard to watch especially given the high calibre of players we had at our disposal. But if it wasn't broke don't fix it. Who knows what we could have achieved playing attractive football or perhaps we wouldn't have qualified for anything.
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"Here's Robbie Keane...... yeeeessss! That is no more than Ireland deserve!"
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Rodneytrotter
Kevin Kilbane Joined: 08 Jun 2019 Status: Offline Points: 207 |
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True , mind you Eoin Hands team with essentially the same players at their peak - Stapleton brady o Leary etc etc in 86 campaign were dreadful . At times around 92-94 we were playing some lovely football . They definitely could do it if needed , look back at ussr 88 match . One of our best passing displays and robbed at end . But yeah he didn’t adapt it particularly against the weaker teams Maybe Aldo would have had double the amount of goals with a passing team
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Baldrick
Robbie Keane Peyton-tly Pedantic Joined: 18 Sep 2008 Location: Ireland Status: Online Points: 32731 |
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Aldridge Houghton townsend and sheedy and Morris are hardly the same players and Mick wasnt a centre back for us in 82 either. So it wasnt the same players.
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ConorMac77
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Fixed Seriously though, I watched it back as well last night as I was just a kid back then. My God, that game was absolutely rancid stuff for an international. More like the sort of game you would see at the local park on a Sunday morning.
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pre Madonna
Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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There are mitigating circumstances though. It was a derby game in awful conditions between an England bereft of confidence and an Irish team who wanted to unsettle them. Given that 16 qualified from 24, itself a ridiculous scenario, it meant both teams were happy with a draw too. Ireland certainly were. The manner of the performance saw England slated in the English and Italian press more than the result.
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Rodneytrotter
Kevin Kilbane Joined: 08 Jun 2019 Status: Offline Points: 207 |
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Of course not exactly the Same -I’m well aware of that but the He had these players in their prime Stapleton O Leary Whelan McGrath Brady Moran Sheedy Robinson Beglin The addition of houghton and Aldridge made a big difference of course but hand had some top players between 82-86
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Baldrick
Robbie Keane Peyton-tly Pedantic Joined: 18 Sep 2008 Location: Ireland Status: Online Points: 32731 |
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But it wasn’t just Aldridge and Houghton. Morris, Staunton and Townsend who you have forgotten.
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Drumcondra 69er
Jack Charlton Joined: 07 Oct 2009 Location: Ireland Status: Online Points: 7118 |
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England were great against Germany but they were poxed in the other knock out games against Belgium and Cameroon. As PM mentions they rode their luck big time until the semi. Only beat the Egypt team we were berated for drawing against 1-0 in a scrappy game too.
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Rodneytrotter
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What’s the obsession with Morris - very average player !! Dave Langan was far better -I forgot lawrensn too , world class he was , essentially Hand had all the above I mentioned, and imagine Liam Brady at his full pomp in your team Jack introduced Houghton and Aldridge initially which he maintains gave him the balance he needed . Hand didn’t get the most from his players
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ProudAndLoud
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Yes it was thunder and really bad lightening. Was a nice day before match but a storm brewed in Med and hit Sardinia that evening. Some irish lads had rented catamarans and they sailed from I think Malta. They thought they were dead and said worse experience of their lives.
Other lads came across from Sicily on hydrfoil and said very scary trip. No alcohol in Sardinia for the day. |
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ProudAndLoud
Davey Langan Joined: 12 Sep 2016 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 801 |
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Morris a very average club player but always excelled in green jersey and always happy with his performances. Short and long of it was no one gave a fook what way we played once we were successful.
Though we dont now like to admit we feel the same in truth we do. Success for fans is everything.
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Denis Irwin
Robbie Keane Stay Home & watch Lethal Weapon Joined: 03 Feb 2008 Location: Ath Cliath Status: Online Points: 37950 |
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Qualifier against the Nordies from '89 on Eir tomorrow night
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kevincronin2000
Jack Charlton Cork Airport Dogging Administrator Joined: 17 Aug 2009 Location: P. Rep of Cork Status: Offline Points: 5285 |
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Looking forward to this one, home game at Lansdowne time to break open a few cans.
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JUICEBOMB
Liam Brady Joined: 06 Oct 2011 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 2100 |
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Yeah a far better game than the England game in 90(from what I remember,it could also prove to be muck)....a game that we actually passed the ball around a bit and Whelan’s pass to sheedy is quality. Getting back to that England game...I’d the misfortune of watching watford v Liverpool from 1986on eir1 (think it was an fa cup game,pool won 2-1) but my Jesus it was awful.liverpool had all there stars out and this was the team that went on to do the double...but like the 1990 match terrible game.do we forget how really bad football was back then or we fans just deluded by the success?
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Sharpshooter
Alan Kernaghan Joined: 20 May 2010 Status: Offline Points: 140 |
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Well I'm watching plenty of old football right now and enjoying it. Footballers are better athletes now, and its a bit quicker for sure, but the skill level isn't that much different, I actually prefered some of the physicality back then which is absent now. If you don't like 20th century football that's fair enough and I'm sure some will agree with you, particularly those under 30, but I enjoy watching 80s & 90s football still, each to their own. I've seen some of the 0-0's of Italia 90 like the QF Yugoslavia 0-0 Argentina AET, should be a stinker, wasn't amazing admittedly but it was still far better than England v Ireland horsesh*t.
Edited by Sharpshooter - 03 May 2020 at 3:38am |
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Sharpshooter
Alan Kernaghan Joined: 20 May 2010 Status: Offline Points: 140 |
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Went and watched France's two opening games of Euro 84.
France 1-0 Denmark France 5-0 Belgium First match was kinda of 'meh' I'd give it 6/10, second match was good, give it 8/10, although Belgium didn't really turn up so the contest quickly became over. Platini got a hatrick but Giresse was the standout player for me, thought he was amazing. Check out that second goal at 2:40 Do you know Euro 84 was never shown on UK TV? Only tournament since 1980 they've never broadcasted. Lot of controversy and I say regret from British broadcasters for that decision looking back now. Did they actually show it in Ireland? |
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