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Territorial
Jack Charlton Joined: 25 Nov 2014 Status: Offline Points: 5817 |
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I have no idea about Neill's character - Dougan may well be right. But Neill captained every team he ever played for. And in addition, Spurs thought highly enough of him to take him from Hull, where he had been player-manager in his 20's, to be their manager despite his being an ex-Arsenal player. After which the Gunners appointed him their own boss, when he was still only 34. By contrast, Dougan's only spell as a boss was player-manager of non-League Kettering. Fact is, throughout his life (both football and non-football) Dougan clearly had a problem with authority. Btw, not only did Neill make Dougan his captain upon becoming Player-Manager himself, but he picked him for the next 7 games, despite Dougan having turned 33. Dougan failed to score during any of those games. In fact he only scored twice in his last 21 caps, once each in 3-0 and 5-0 drubbings of Cyprus. |
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Territorial
Jack Charlton Joined: 25 Nov 2014 Status: Offline Points: 5817 |
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Actually, I've just remembered another story about Dougan. One of the players NI turned to to solve our prernnial No.9 problem was a guy called Sammy Morgan. Sammy was big, strong and enthusiastic and looked every bit a centre forward - until he got the ball! And after a bright enough start to his NI career, he eventually fizzled out with 15 caps (3 goals). Anyhow, after Dougan had finally burned his bridges with the IFA, he was working in the media as an analyst. After one NI game, he had a right go at Morgan, including the observation that "he lacked the intelligence to be a footballer" (or somesuch). Which seemed to me to be unnecessarily personal, considering the two had actually played together for a couple of games. Meanwhile, Sammy seemed more amused than offended, responding quietly: "Intelligence? I wonder how many 'A' Levels Derek has?" For Sammy was a qualified schoolteacher, with the education to match!
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Darren
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Sammy was big, strong and enthusiastic and looked every bit a centre forward - until he got the ball! |
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I remember Sammy Morgan. He was with Aston Villa in the old second or third division as was and not a first teamer there when he replaced Dougan, who if I recall rightly was still knocking them in for Wolves at the top level, in the NI team. Sammy spent his career with clubs in the lower divisions and never looked international class. He might have made a better schoolteacher -he did try hard but there was a lot of incredulity amongst NI fans at the time that Sammy and other low level artisans were getting picked ahead of the Doog. It was the equivalent of Robbie Keane being dumped for Joe Lapira. I appreciate Dougan's assessment of Sammy was rude, if accurate, and he did indeed have problems with authority but I always liked him as a player and he was certainly good craic to have a few beers with.
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Territorial
Jack Charlton Joined: 25 Nov 2014 Status: Offline Points: 5817 |
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Sorry, I meant that Morgan had played alongside Dougan for NI (vs Bulgaria, 1972), since their international careers just overlapped. Anyhow, although Morgan made a living from the game, he was a journeyman who would not have been considered anything like international class had NI not been desperate for a CF in the early 70's. (We tried a few duds at that time.) But one of the reasons they were desperate was because Dougan was "done", at least at international level, as the last 21 of his 43 caps proves: 11/12/1968 Turkey........ A W 3-0 WCQ 03/05/1969 England....... H L 1-3 BC 06/05/1969 Scotland...... A D 1-1 BC 10/05/1969 Wales......... H D 0-0 BC 10/09/1969 USSR.......... H D 0-0 WCQ 22/10/1969 USSR.......... A L 0-2 WCQ 18/04/1970 Scotland...... H L 0-1 BC 21/04/1970 England....... A L 1-3 BC 11/11/1970 Spain......... A L 0-3 ECQ 03/02/1971 Cyprus........ A W 3-0 ECQ 1 Goal 21/04/1971 Cyprus........ H W 5-0 ECQ 1 Goal 15/05/1971 England....... H L 0-1 BC 18/05/1971 Scotland...... A W 1-0 BC 22/05/1971 Wales......... H W 1-0 BC 22/09/1971 USSR.......... A L 0-1 ECQ 13/10/1971 USSR.......... H D 1-1 ECQ 20/05/1972 Scotland...... H L 0-2 BC 23/05/1972 England....... A W 1-0 BC 27/05/1972 Wales......... A D 0-0 BC 18/10/1972 Bulgaria...... A L 0-3 WCQ 14/02/1973 Cyprus........ A L 0-1 WCQ The above also explains why the "incredulity" amongst NI fans which I recall was how DD could be so consistently deadly for his club, whilst misfiring consistently for his country.
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Baldrick
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Fck sake did I login to the wrong forum.
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AKA pedantic kunt
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Theres no football happening, not even a football transfer to speak of. Cant be a surprise that this forum will go on a bit of a tangent. |
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đź‘ŤKeep me in the loop brick if you and the boys start podcasting!
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Territorial
Jack Charlton Joined: 25 Nov 2014 Status: Offline Points: 5817 |
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I just came across a reference to Big Norm - 55 y.o. today btw - pointing out that he's the youngest player ever to have played 200 games for Man U - not Giggs, Best or Rashford etc. Which is pretty remarkable for a 142 y.o. club with such a tradition of bringing through young players.
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If the thread continues the way it’s going it will have to moved to The rest of world section.
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AKA pedantic kunt
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Thanks for the heads up. Johnny's team:- Given Tony Dunne Irwin Hurley McGrath Ronnie Whelan Roy Keane Liam Brady Stapleton Robbie Keane Heighway
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Double Maxim without doubt the greatest drink in the world
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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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Just on Dougan, I found that there was a biography of him written not long ago. It was supposed to be an autobiography written with a journalist, but Dougan died not long after it started. If it is well written the subject matter should be interesting.
Sorry Baldy!
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Given Irwin McGrath Dunne Aim the gyaffer Houghton Townsend Keane Duff Keane Aldridge/Quinn
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Good to see you back Tj. The place wasn't the same without you.
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Double Maxim without doubt the greatest drink in the world
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cheers DM
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Coleman Dunne Cunningham Irwin McAteer Holland Roy Duff Robbie Quinn Full back is a position where we've had good options strangely enough. Bench of Randolph, Doherty, Staunton, Harte, Kinsella, Wes and big Cas
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