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I was fairly happy when Mick was appointed and although the campaign was underwhelming the toxicity that was there under MON is gone now. We are a fairly dull and unimaginative team but hopefully now with Kenny we can push on a little and try to be more creative and positive. Certainly Kenny will look to win games rather than draw 1-1. I think Mick can leave with a thanks from the fans as someone who steadied the ship. At the end of the day he  took it to the last few minutes in the group. We just couldn't find a winner. But onwards now with Kenny in charge and hopefully some new blood injected into the team as well.
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Think the pressure will be higher than when Brian Kerr was appointed. Certainly the task he faces is much more difficult.
Kerr was under pressure to rescue the qualification campaign for Euro 2004 by getting results against Georgia and Albania, plus had a friendly against Scotland to ease his way in and work with the players.
Kenny has to win a one off game against Slovakia, away from home, and then (hopefully) another one off game, away from home, against either Northern Ireland or Bosnia, with a much worse squad than Kerr had to work with.
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Does he? I don’t think any fans expected us to qualify under Mick. If he didn’t think he could beat Georgia away he must have had no hope in Slovakia. Playing for penalties, and I would give us little hope of winning on them if we got that far, was ok for McCarthy but isn’t for Kenny?
It feels more like a free shot. Of course, if Kenny’s team were to get battered he might not recover as the knives would be out early, but that’s it.
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disgraceful pay off figures. McCarthy should do the decent thing and refuse them. Like taking money from a charity case with voluntary workers

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Originally posted by tetsujin1979 tetsujin1979 wrote:

Think the pressure will be higher than when Brian Kerr was appointed. Certainly the task he faces is much more difficult.
Kerr was under pressure to rescue the qualification campaign for Euro 2004 by getting results against Georgia and Albania, plus had a friendly against Scotland to ease his way in and work with the players.
Kenny has to win a one off game against Slovakia, away from home, and then (hopefully) another one off game, away from home, against either Northern Ireland or Bosnia, with a much worse squad than Kerr had to work with.

Why does he have to win itConfused

Slovakia were favourites last month and they will be so whenever the game takes place
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Originally posted by tetsujin1979 tetsujin1979 wrote:

Think the pressure will be higher than when Brian Kerr was appointed. Certainly the task he faces is much more difficult.
Kerr was under pressure to rescue the qualification campaign for Euro 2004 by getting results against Georgia and Albania, plus had a friendly against Scotland to ease his way in and work with the players.
Kenny has to win a one off game against Slovakia, away from home, and then (hopefully) another one off game, away from home, against either Northern Ireland or Bosnia, with a much worse squad than Kerr had to work with.
Kerr had a much better quality of squad to work with and they are not really comparable situations. I don't think anybody expects us to qualify for the Euros with the way we have to do it, but a lot of supporters might be more optimistic about our chances. As mentioned already, its a free shot for Kenny and a good performance against Slovakia regardless of the result would be a positive 
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Bringing in David Mcgoldrick was Micks best decision as Ireland boss, as he's been player of the campaign. Other positives included improving the style of play and improving a team that had run out of ideas under O'Neill.

Some of the negatives include not finding a place in the team for Matt Doherty. Overcautious approach in games we would hope to win. 

But overall he was a success no doubt. He improved on what he inherited. He improved our morale and style of play. He brought some fresh faces into the squad who have all contributed  - Callum Robinson, McGoldrick, Egan, Stevens..... and Kenny will inherit a solid foundation to build from. 
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Crawford & John O'Shea confirmed as U21 manager and assistant, Duff coming on board with Kenny & Andrews, Alan Kelly staying as GK senior coach. 

Pipkin made a point here or elsewhere about McCarthy's contract reeking of the 'old FAI' and it certainly did, right down to the 'exit payment' and bonus for qualification. One of those 2 things surely wasn't required, I think most fans would agree the qualification bonus should have been enough of an incentive. 

The other one that reeked of old FAI, possibly even more so, is paying Robbie Keane a quarter of a million a year to put on maybe 20 coaching sessions, maybe 30 at most, for a few hours at a time during international games, and then maybe go watch a few other games involving Irish players when Middlesbrough weren't playing. A quarter of a fcuking million. Pare that down to hours worked for the FAI and he could very well be more expensive than McCarthy per hour. 

I think a good bit of the reason we are paying vastly inflated salaries is because of JD's personal ambition to be seen as a 'football insider' and general big shot.  All these lads agents, who tend to be sharp operators when it comes to all things financial, probably recognised Delaney as a spoofer straight away and played on his desire to be seen as one of the 'big men' in football by asking for ridiculous money for their clients. Delaney, not wanting to be seen as a penny pincher or small time operator,  probably agreed all these contracts with very little fuss.

 


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Originally posted by deise316 deise316 wrote:

Crawford & John O'Shea confirmed as U21 manager and assistant, Duff coming on board with Kenny & Andrews, Alan Kelly staying as GK senior coach. 

Pipkin made a point here or elsewhere about McCarthy's contract reeking of the 'old FAI' and it certainly did, right down to the 'exit payment' and bonus for qualification. One of those 2 things surely wasn't required, I think most fans would agree the qualification bonus should have been enough of an incentive. 

The other one that reeked of old FAI, possibly even more so, is paying Robbie Keane a quarter of a million a year to put on maybe 20 coaching sessions, maybe 30 at most, for a few hours at a time during international games, and then maybe go watch a few other games involving Irish players when Middlesbrough weren't playing. A quarter of a fcuking million. Pare that down to hours worked for the FAI and he could very well be more expensive than McCarthy per hour. 

I think a good bit of the reason we are paying vastly inflated salaries is because of JD's personal ambition to be seen as a 'football insider' and general big shot.  All these lads agents, who tend to be sharp operators when it comes to all things financial, probably recognised Delaney as a spoofer straight away and played on his desire to be seen as one of the 'big men' in football by asking for ridiculous money for their clients. Delaney, not wanting to be seen as a penny pincher or small time operator,  probably agreed all these contracts with very little fuss.


Exit bonus was clearly negotiated to replace the original second campaign that was mooted before the succession idea came to the fore. 

Talk now the qualification bonus will be shared with Kenny if that's achieved. 
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Originally posted by Augustus Gloop Augustus Gloop wrote:

Bringing in David Mcgoldrick was Micks best decision as Ireland boss, as he's been player of the campaign. Other positives included improving the style of play and improving a team that had run out of ideas under O'Neill.

Some of the negatives include not finding a place in the team for Matt Doherty. Overcautious approach in games we would hope to win. 

But overall he was a success no doubt. He improved on what he inherited. He improved our morale and style of play. He brought some fresh faces into the squad who have all contributed  - Callum Robinson, McGoldrick, Egan, Stevens..... and Kenny will inherit a solid foundation to build from. 
I would love to know your definition of success.
In fairness he brought in McGoldrick but at the same time left out a much more experienced option in Long.

All the other 3 were in around the squad and Egan only got into the team when keogh got injured
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I would say McGoldrick's rejuvenation was the only major "player development" Mick achieved in his tenure; but given the short time period I suppose that side of things was never really at the forefront of his mind.
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Originally posted by deise316 deise316 wrote:

Crawford & John O'Shea confirmed as U21 manager and assistant, Duff coming on board with Kenny & Andrews, Alan Kelly staying as GK senior coach. 

Pipkin made a point here or elsewhere about McCarthy's contract reeking of the 'old FAI' and it certainly did, right down to the 'exit payment' and bonus for qualification. One of those 2 things surely wasn't required, I think most fans would agree the qualification bonus should have been enough of an incentive. 

The other one that reeked of old FAI, possibly even more so, is paying Robbie Keane a quarter of a million a year to put on maybe 20 coaching sessions, maybe 30 at most, for a few hours at a time during international games, and then maybe go watch a few other games involving Irish players when Middlesbrough weren't playing. A quarter of a fcuking million. Pare that down to hours worked for the FAI and he could very well be more expensive than McCarthy per hour. 

I think a good bit of the reason we are paying vastly inflated salaries is because of JD's personal ambition to be seen as a 'football insider' and general big shot.  All these lads agents, who tend to be sharp operators when it comes to all things financial, probably recognised Delaney as a spoofer straight away and played on his desire to be seen as one of the 'big men' in football by asking for ridiculous money for their clients. Delaney, not wanting to be seen as a penny pincher or small time operator,  probably agreed all these contracts with very little fuss.


Is Keane really on 250k !!!
Qualifying bonus is standard fare but why be paid an exit fee ?
 


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Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by deise316 deise316 wrote:

Crawford & John O'Shea confirmed as U21 manager and assistant, Duff coming on board with Kenny & Andrews, Alan Kelly staying as GK senior coach. 

Pipkin made a point here or elsewhere about McCarthy's contract reeking of the 'old FAI' and it certainly did, right down to the 'exit payment' and bonus for qualification. One of those 2 things surely wasn't required, I think most fans would agree the qualification bonus should have been enough of an incentive. 

The other one that reeked of old FAI, possibly even more so, is paying Robbie Keane a quarter of a million a year to put on maybe 20 coaching sessions, maybe 30 at most, for a few hours at a time during international games, and then maybe go watch a few other games involving Irish players when Middlesbrough weren't playing. A quarter of a fcuking million. Pare that down to hours worked for the FAI and he could very well be more expensive than McCarthy per hour. 

I think a good bit of the reason we are paying vastly inflated salaries is because of JD's personal ambition to be seen as a 'football insider' and general big shot.  All these lads agents, who tend to be sharp operators when it comes to all things financial, probably recognised Delaney as a spoofer straight away and played on his desire to be seen as one of the 'big men' in football by asking for ridiculous money for their clients. Delaney, not wanting to be seen as a penny pincher or small time operator,  probably agreed all these contracts with very little fuss.


Exit bonus was clearly negotiated to replace the original second campaign that was mooted before the succession idea came to the fore. 

Talk now the qualification bonus will be shared with Kenny if that's achieved. 


That just goes to show how much of a sham it was.  Exit bonus is a nonsense.  Mick got two years the fai didnt owe him a 4 year contract so.why compensate him for something that they didnt owe him.  I blame the JD regime not the current one as they are just fulfilling legal requirements 
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by deise316 deise316 wrote:

Crawford & John O'Shea confirmed as U21 manager and assistant, Duff coming on board with Kenny & Andrews, Alan Kelly staying as GK senior coach. 

Pipkin made a point here or elsewhere about McCarthy's contract reeking of the 'old FAI' and it certainly did, right down to the 'exit payment' and bonus for qualification. One of those 2 things surely wasn't required, I think most fans would agree the qualification bonus should have been enough of an incentive. 

The other one that reeked of old FAI, possibly even more so, is paying Robbie Keane a quarter of a million a year to put on maybe 20 coaching sessions, maybe 30 at most, for a few hours at a time during international games, and then maybe go watch a few other games involving Irish players when Middlesbrough weren't playing. A quarter of a fcuking million. Pare that down to hours worked for the FAI and he could very well be more expensive than McCarthy per hour. 

I think a good bit of the reason we are paying vastly inflated salaries is because of JD's personal ambition to be seen as a 'football insider' and general big shot.  All these lads agents, who tend to be sharp operators when it comes to all things financial, probably recognised Delaney as a spoofer straight away and played on his desire to be seen as one of the 'big men' in football by asking for ridiculous money for their clients. Delaney, not wanting to be seen as a penny pincher or small time operator,  probably agreed all these contracts with very little fuss.


Exit bonus was clearly negotiated to replace the original second campaign that was mooted before the succession idea came to the fore. 

Talk now the qualification bonus will be shared with Kenny if that's achieved. 


That just goes to show how much of a sham it was.  Exit bonus is a nonsense.  Mick got two years the fai didnt owe him a 4 year contract so.why compensate him for something that they didnt owe him.  I blame the JD regime not the current one as they are just fulfilling legal requirements 

Don't disagree at all. Just giving a context to the exit bonus because people were asking about it. Only my opinion but soon as I heard about the exit payment it seemed clear to me how that negotiation would have went. 
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Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Exit bonus was clearly negotiated to replace the original second campaign that was mooted before the succession idea came to the fore. 

Talk now the qualification bonus will be shared with Kenny if that's achieved. 

His contract is reported as 1.2m a year. His exit bonus reported as 1.13m. So effectively, they paid him for 2 campaigns, but specified that he would only have to work for one campaign. That's some shrewd negotiation tactics from the FAI there alright. 

The qualification bonus also reported as a million, to be split pro-rata between Mick & Stephen, if we qualify. Mick has played 8 games, Kenny will play a max of 2. Lets allow for the fact Kenny's (playoff) games are more difficult and say that bonus gets split 50/50. 

That's just short of €3 million for Mick, for a total of 10 games managed. Nearly €300k a game. 

Klopp and Mourinho are the joint 2nd highest paid managers in England on just short of 18m. To take Liverpool, they played 53 games in all competitions last season. Paying Klopp 300k per game would work out at €15.9m, which is roughly equal to what he is actually paid. 

Given the less frequent nature of international football V club football, Mick's contract, as agreed with FAI, is probably among the most lucrative out there for the workload. And yes, I'm aware of the fact the nature of the jobs differ, but when ya take into account that contracts for Mick & his staff were agreed by an organisation that was more or less insolvent, it really beggars all belief. 







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McCarthy is a thief to take this money at such a time. Caring for Irish football me arse. He's just another charlatan
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Hardly McCarthy's fault that those were the terms given to him in his contract. I'd love to see anyone on this forum forgo a million quid...
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Hardly McCarthy's fault that those were the terms given to him in his contract. I'd love to see anyone on this forum forgo a million quid...
Wrong, they are the terms he and his agent negotiated to receive
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