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Het-field
Roy Keane By Appointment to His Majesty The King Joined: 08 Mar 2016 Status: Offline Points: 10345 |
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I don’t understand why a cookie should be given to fans who “respected the Republic’s anthem”. That’s just basic common courtesy and a generally observed phenomenon across the board. What else would they do? Only if you want to see this as some implicit repudiation, then you will believe that. But nothing could be further from the truth. Simply put, it was a different time, and at best a ball drop. Its a non issue really. I fully appreciate that when the time comes, a new anthem, a new flag, new symbols etc will all be adopted. That is something I will welcome in a new, pluralist, united entity. But in 2007 the convention remained as it was. And I still know loads of Ulster fans who still support the team regardless, and the important involvement of Ulster players in the team.
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amccarten313
Davey Langan Joined: 29 Mar 2015 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 982 |
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I'm not attacking at all his "right" to be a member of the forum, nor do I wish that YBIG was an echo chamber; football forums are by nature inherently places for conversations, arguments, etc. For me personally though, the thought of investing so much time and effort, on a daily basis (over a number of years), on a forum about a team you don't support is just absolutely jaw-dropping stuff. Actually not sure what's worse- the idea that he might spend more time on an NI forum, or the idea that YBIG is his bread and butter.
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Territorial
Jack Charlton Joined: 25 Nov 2014 Status: Offline Points: 5817 |
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I'm not saying they should be rewarded, I'm merely saying they should not be disrespected (by being told they're not really "Irish")
Cannot you see the implicit insult? "We want to pick you because it suits us, but we don't want to accept you're really "Irish" like the other players" Which may be a non-issue for you, but can you imagine the row if the shoe had been on the other foot?
No, the convention in 2007 was that GSTQ should have been played. Now I don't for one moment suggest that that should have happened - that would have been ridiculously inflammatory - but surely "the time had come" then to adopt a new convention? I mean, you still haven't explained what is wrong with simply playing Ireland's Call, home and away?
What other choice do they have if they still want an international team to support (fans), or want to make a living (players)? Most fans just accept it, but others have walked away. Then again, maybe you don't miss them, what with their not really coming from Ireland and all that...
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irishmufc
Robbie Keane I love Vulvas Joined: 09 Aug 2011 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 24975 |
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Honestly I'd rather listen to GTSQ for the Irish rugby side than having to be stuck on a plane with the self-righteous egg chasing supporters belting out Ireland's Call.
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Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.
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Het-field
Roy Keane By Appointment to His Majesty The King Joined: 08 Mar 2016 Status: Offline Points: 10345 |
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At worst it was a dropped ball. It was in no way a repudiation of anybody’s Irishness. That certainly would not have been intended, or an intentional outcome. It’s something for talking heads to get riled about, and nothing more. An awkward situation that was handled poorly. I’d have no problem with moving exclusively to Ireland’s Call. None at all. And when the time comes a new anthem entirely. But Irish Rugby has always been unbelievably accommodating and have played people from both sides of the divide, historically. Given the overall attitudes and approaches, the logical conclusion is that it was an honest error of judgement. And unless you are looking to be insulted.
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Jackal
Liam Brady Joined: 14 Sep 2019 Status: Offline Points: 1340 |
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Of course, there's no big association left to join. I suppose if the Northern Cypriot league started giving players 100 grand a week etc then they'd let them join FIFA and UEFA.
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yuehouzhifeng
Alan Kernaghan Joined: 10 Oct 2013 Location: china Status: Offline Points: 114 |
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I am Chinese
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IrishKeano
Phil Babb Joined: 09 Sep 2019 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 47 |
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Lol, how in the blue hell did you end up supporting Ireland mate??
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King_Kenny
Liam Brady Joined: 31 Aug 2019 Location: Claudy Status: Offline Points: 2443 |
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Ran into terri and Javier at a conference maybe!
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Territorial
Jack Charlton Joined: 25 Nov 2014 Status: Offline Points: 5817 |
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Reminds me of the story of when (English-born) Aidan McCaffrey was playing for Newcastle. His then boss, Gordon Lee, was urging him to approach the FAI to see if he could play for you. "But I've no Irish blood in me, boss", McCaffrey explained. "What do you mean", replied Lee, "with a name like that you must have!" Which caused Malcolm McDonald to interject: "In that case, boss, why didn't you ever play for China?" (No offence to yuehouzhifeng, by the way)
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Green Cockade
Liam Brady Joined: 22 Jan 2020 Location: Belfast Status: Offline Points: 2645 |
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Gordon Lee had a similar conversation in the late 70s with Eamonn O'Keefe, his centre forward at Everton , who didn't think he was eligible. Turned out he was and he went on to play for Ireland.
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BohsinMunich
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Both my kids (adults actually) were born outside Ireland and have never lived there. All their lives they have only ever had Irish passports. Asking them where they came from they would say Germany. For football they would answer Ireland.
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brianie
Roy Keane Joined: 13 Oct 2007 Location: Bray Status: Offline Points: 11508 |
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ITS KEANE YES
YBIG You Can Please some of the People Some of the Time But Not All of The People All of The Time |
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IrishKeano
Phil Babb Joined: 09 Sep 2019 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 47 |
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That is brilliant, never heard that story before.
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brianie
Roy Keane Joined: 13 Oct 2007 Location: Bray Status: Offline Points: 11508 |
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A lot of the guys i meet up with on away trips are non Irish born, Newry,Burnley Watford, Donegal, Waterford, all sound though........and Cork
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ITS KEANE YES
YBIG You Can Please some of the People Some of the Time But Not All of The People All of The Time |
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Gary McKay
Roy Keane Yo Adrian Joined: 21 Jul 2007 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 13816 |
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I take it you know the story of O’Keefe’s international career ?
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"Smalling and Jones.... have the potential to be the PL’s best ever pairing in my opinion." - SlurAlex
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Green Cockade
Liam Brady Joined: 22 Jan 2020 Location: Belfast Status: Offline Points: 2645 |
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Yes, it's pretty bizarre. He made his debut for Ireland in 1981 but was then ditched by them because they discovered he had previously represented England at semi-pro level. They changed their minds a couple of years later as the then manager Eoin Hand rated him and he won some more caps. He wrote a book about his career which I haven't read-last I heard he was back at Everton working for them in some capacity after living in Villamoura for some years. I remember him as a player as I was working and living in Liverpool when he signed for Everton. He played upfront with a guy called Imre Varadi, they both had real pace and were good but the Everton team under Gordon Lee at the time was poor overall.
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Gary McKay
Roy Keane Yo Adrian Joined: 21 Jul 2007 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 13816 |
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FIFA/UEFA banned him.
Changed on appeal 2/3 years later
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"Smalling and Jones.... have the potential to be the PL’s best ever pairing in my opinion." - SlurAlex
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