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Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

English papers running stories of a full lockdown until Dec 1st from Wednesday
Does full lockdown mean the same over there as here, as in half arsed.
Just because it's tradition does not make it right
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It’ll be an actual lockdown this time. Wales are already under tough lockdown but as guideline rather than law because it’s pretty hard to police the River Severn and the skies 

Boris was told in September lockdown 2 was needed but didn’t because every government prefers money over life but today’s meeting the advisers showed the NHS is about 2 weeks away from being overwhelmed which has made him reluctantly make the decision 
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there is a cohort of people who will only support a lockdown when it gets like Bergamo in Feb/March. Until it’s like that they will argue it’s premature. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote sid waddell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Oct 2020 at 10:23am
144 Covid deaths is Belgium's latest daily figure

Last four daily figures for Belgium: 144, 138, 132, 139

Population of Belgium: 11.6 million

Perhaps the edgy INTERNET experts can now see why Level 5 was recommended by NPHET?

Or would that be too much to hope?


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Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

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Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

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We're not talking about "not having socks" Sid, we're talking about "not being able to buy new socks". People can do without new socks for 6 weeks. 

Otherwise you'd have to open all sock shops, which would be pretty much all of the shopping centres, Grafton Street etc. We're on lockdown, new socks is something we can do without.
Perhaps you might be able to (I'll probably be able to as well, for full disclosure), but it seems like a very "I'm alright, Jack" attitude to assume that everybody will be able to

Like, say a single parent with two boys of 7 and 5

Growing children go through clothes pretty quickly, you know

And as far as I know sections of shops are not being closed off due to health regulations but due to business lobbying

It's little things like this that make people resentful of restrictions

I don't think that's a good thing at a time when the focus of public policy has to be more on persuading people and less on lecturing people
Sid, I've 4 year old twin boys, there's no amount of growing in the next month that's gonna cause them to go sockless
Well done mate but the plural of anecdote is not data

This is a very difficult time for a lot of people and stopping them from buying socks or other necessary clothing because of business lobbying is not going to help things in the country, it's only going to build resentment
You literally had the same anecdote in your sentence LOL

Maybe my mistake was not coming back with your type of science "And as far as I know". If as far as Sid knows isn't data I don't know what is
Can you point me to the science that says nobody will need to buy socks in the next five weeks, please

Then apply it to underwear, pyjamas, and any amount of other items of clothing
Stick to the Lakeside Sid
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Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

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We're not talking about "not having socks" Sid, we're talking about "not being able to buy new socks". People can do without new socks for 6 weeks. 

Otherwise you'd have to open all sock shops, which would be pretty much all of the shopping centres, Grafton Street etc. We're on lockdown, new socks is something we can do without.
Perhaps you might be able to (I'll probably be able to as well, for full disclosure), but it seems like a very "I'm alright, Jack" attitude to assume that everybody will be able to

Like, say a single parent with two boys of 7 and 5

Growing children go through clothes pretty quickly, you know

And as far as I know sections of shops are not being closed off due to health regulations but due to business lobbying

It's little things like this that make people resentful of restrictions

I don't think that's a good thing at a time when the focus of public policy has to be more on persuading people and less on lecturing people
Sid, I've 4 year old twin boys, there's no amount of growing in the next month that's gonna cause them to go sockless
Well done mate but the plural of anecdote is not data

This is a very difficult time for a lot of people and stopping them from buying socks or other necessary clothing because of business lobbying is not going to help things in the country, it's only going to build resentment
You literally had the same anecdote in your sentence LOL

Maybe my mistake was not coming back with your type of science "And as far as I know". If as far as Sid knows isn't data I don't know what is
Can you point me to the science that says nobody will need to buy socks in the next five weeks, please

Then apply it to underwear, pyjamas, and any amount of other items of clothing
Stick to the Lakeside Sid
You've missed the board altogether there

Very pdc (person denying clothes) style


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So Ireland is one of four EU countries where the 7 day incident rate is down.

Everyone will be praising level-5 restrictions, is it not true that it takes a few weeks before any lockdown measures have an effect? 

So in reality the nationwide level-3 restrictions are what caused the incident rate to go down.
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Why is the clothes thing and issue now and not during the first lockdown? 

Genuine question. 
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Originally posted by seanyshuffler seanyshuffler wrote:

Why is the clothes thing and issue now and not during the first lockdown? 

Genuine question. 

Because so many were in fear the first time around. 100s of people being carried out in bodybags in Italy and being broadcasted everywhere, people didnt give a f**k about clobber. 
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Originally posted by McG McG wrote:

Originally posted by seanyshuffler seanyshuffler wrote:

Why is the clothes thing and issue now and not during the first lockdown? 

Genuine question. 

Because so many were in fear the first time around. 100s of people being carried out in bodybags in Italy and being broadcasted everywhere, people didnt give a f**k about clobber. 

Fair enough! I just worry if clothes shops open, they'll all push to reopen. 

Maybe they can just allow mixed retail (food and clothes) to open?
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Good article by Naomi O'Leary, I can't disagree with any of it

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/the-west-has-failed-us-and-europe-have-made-a-mess-of-handling-the-crisis-1.4395473

The West has failed – US and Europe have made a mess of handling the crisis

Western leaders have been insular slow learners at every stage of the Covid pandemic


The pandemic has not been easy anywhere. But as the citizens of the West brace for a winter largely confined to their homes, retirees in
 Australia throng the bars, the streets of Taipei are busy and the restaurants of Seoul are full. The United States and Europe are outliers in how badly they have managed the pandemic, managing to sacrifice public health and tank their economies to an extent that may affect the global balance of power for our lifetimes.

The pandemic response has been politicised and captured by tiresome culture warriors, while restrictions are blamed for economic damage that is an inevitable as long as coronavirus roams. Contain it, and normality returns. There is no normal economy with a virus that kills and debilitates the human beings that make it up.

How did we get here?

All kinds of absurd stereotypes about Asia were used to support the Western exceptionalism that underpinned our bad policies. All the successful pandemic control techniques, including mask-wearing, contact-tracing, and compulsory quarantine, were initially dismissed as authoritarian and culturally inappropriate for the West.

They were categorised as something only China would do, ignoring that these techniques were central to the successful pandemic response of democracies from Taiwan, to Japan, to South Korea. Ever-protesting Hong Kong is the example that makes particularly hilarious the idea that Asian people are just more “compliant” or “don’t love freedom” like the West.

Australia and New Zealand are majority white ex-colonial societies that don’t fit into this confused thinking anyway. Their practices were dismissed as “cutting themselves off from the world”. Australia will soon open up with New Zealand, and Hong Kong with Singapore, gradually expanding the bubble of safety. It is we, the virus-riddled Westerners, who will be isolated indefinitely.

Rather than learning from what already worked, we chose Hail Mary technological fixes that didn’t exist yet, like contact-tracing apps and vaccines, to justify business as usual.

Behind all of this was exceptionalism. Infectious diseases were viewed as a developing-world problem that the West had outgrown. We underfunded and neglected pandemic response. Many leaders and influential people had an inappropriate lack of alarm and grasped at fairytales that minimised the threat of the virus, the kind of false sense of invulnerability of people too sheltered to fear things.

This exceptionalism often took the form of the “it only kills the sick and the old” mantra. This is false: one in 10 people under 50 suffer enduring damage from the virus and it has always killed randomly. It’s also cruel: it treats the lives of any happy retiree, any mother of four with ovarian cancer, any young man with cystic fibrosis as disposable.

Its iteration in policy is deciding not to eliminate the virus while telling the vulnerable to cocoon, which means confining about a third of the population to indefinite house arrest, a weird flex by the governments of the world’s oldest and sickest populations, who rely on the votes of those people to stay in power.

This false separation of the strong and the weak also misunderstands society. People share accommodation. Grandmothers raise children. And people at risk of death from the virus are the very same who run our healthcare systems.

Like 46-year-old Diego Bianco of Italy, an ambulance paramedic who died in bed after telling his wife not to worry. Or 28-year-old Dr Adeline Fagan, who died last month in Texas after working shifts in the coronavirus emergency ward. Or Boy Ettema (42) a nurse who died intubated in his own hospital in the Netherlands.

Western governments treated their healthcare workers like load-bearing infrastructure, with policy aimed to “not overwhelm” hospitals. But governments are not so all-powerful as they delude themselves, that they can precisely calibrate how many people get sick at once from a highly infectious virus according to how many beds are available. When they err, they gift their much-applauded healthcare workers the trauma of choosing between patients.

Excuses could be made for ill-preparedness at the start of the pandemic. But Western leaders have been insular slow learners at every stage. And the failure to act effectively when cases were brought down to low levels during the summer – an achievement hard won with sacrifices by every citizen – is hard to forgive.

Western governments now emphasise that individual responsibility will determine the course of the pandemic. “The path it takes depends on YOU,” as Minister for Further and Higher Education Simon Harris tweeted this month.

Societal co-operation is vital. But no individual citizen has the power to put in place an effective testing and tracing system.

All the self-delusion has been self-defeating, as in a kind of tragic irony, the pursuit of each aim has led to its defeat.

In the name of saving the economy, the strategy over the summer was to get rid of the restrictions, not the virus. The European Commission’s “Reopen EU” website, with its little cocktail glass icon that allowed users to see if bars were open in their holiday destination, appears an absurd folly now that the rush to save the tourism and catering industries has bought us a crushing new wave of infection so severe it threatens to make the EU’s vaunted €750 billion stimulus agreement obsolete.

In the name of “freedom”, Western governments would not contemplate mandatory quarantines. Taoiseach Micheál Martin recently dismissed such practices in the Dáil as “statist”. Targeted, enforced quarantines for a few were unthinkable for the West. So now there are blanket restrictions on us all. What is more free? Which is more statist?

All states involve a trade off between citizens and their rulers: taxes for services, common rules for safety. The point of a state is to create the conditions for its citizens to thrive. The West has failed.

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Boris doing a presser at 4pm.

Was originally intended for Monday but now the worst kept secret is out it's been brought forward
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Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

Boris doing a presser at 4pm.

Was originally intended for Monday but now the worst kept secret is out it's been brought forward

Any idea how long it will be?

I assume they are looking for a 4/5 week hard lockdown? 

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Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

Boris doing a presser at 4pm.

Was originally intended for Monday but now the worst kept secret is out it's been brought forward

Any idea how long it will be?

I assume they are looking for a 4/5 week hard lockdown? 

He's pushed it back to 5pm but the craic is full hard lockdown from Wednesday until Dec 1st. 

The sources leaked are saying Boris and Sunak are still looking for ways around it hence the delay but it's inevitable 
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Can you not just order socks on Amazon?
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ITV and BBC have the English lockdown summary in an hour's time - 

All English regions moving into tier 4 - Everything shutting except from Schools, Colleges, Uni's, Essential shops and Courts - Buying clothes will be allowed
Outbound flights banned - I can imagine alot of neighbouring Nations will be glad at this

All regions to stay in Tier 4 until Dec 1st where they'll be downgraded into the previous tiers depending on infection rate
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Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

ITV and BBC have the English lockdown summary in an hour's time - 

All English regions moving into tier 4 - Everything shutting except from Schools, Colleges, Uni's, Essential shops and Courts - Buying clothes will be allowed
Outbound flights banned - I can imagine alot of neighbouring Nations will be glad at this

All regions to stay in Tier 4 until Dec 1st where they'll be downgraded into the previous tiers depending on infection rate
outbound flights - I don’t think so in the immortal lines of Richard Wilson - I don’t believe it 

Edited by Newryrep - 31 Oct 2020 at 4:46pm
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Massively encouraging drop in numbers. As always terrible that people are losing their lives 
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