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Question , when you get the jab you you sign a wavier before hand ?

Sort of thing could your famliy come back and go to the courts if you died ? 

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Originally posted by Im The Gaffer Im The Gaffer wrote:

It's all very well to say only one or two in a million might die from blood clots due to these vaccines, but there are around 447 million people in the EU alone, so the numbers do start to add up in real terms if this is the case.

If, say 100 people in the EU were to die from clotting due to the AZ and J&J vaccines, it's a very serious situation, because these would be real people and real deaths and it could undermine faith in vaccines in general, for all diseases. Anti-vaxxers would be able to point to a large number of real deaths.

The thing is, we're relying on these vaccines to get us out of this pandemic, which is killing a hell of a lot more people. 

I understand why NIAC have restricted the AZ vaccine because there are alternatives, but now one of the alternatives seems to have the same problem. If it comes to light that the other vaccines have similar problems, well, we're in a pickle - we would then have to ask people to take vaccines for which there is a risk - a minute, miniscule one, but a risk nonetheless. 

The risks will have to be explained in a very clear and honest manner, because it may well be the case that we are asking 7.9 billion people to take vaccines which could have a worldwide death total of 7,900 people, if everybody took them. 

I will certainly get vaccinated when the time comes.

They should highlight the risk but let the people decide if they want the vaccine or not.

If you are under 60, you are 80 times more likely to die from Covid than the blood cloth from the vaccines.
The anti-vaccine people will always be haters. 

If you are overweight, a smoker or take the birth control
Pill you have a much higher chance of developing blood cloths.

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on the face of it extending the period between doses like the Uk has done enabling  more people  to get a first dose looks like a better option 

 
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Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

Originally posted by Im The Gaffer Im The Gaffer wrote:

It's all very well to say only one or two in a million might die from blood clots due to these vaccines, but there are around 447 million people in the EU alone, so the numbers do start to add up in real terms if this is the case.

If, say 100 people in the EU were to die from clotting due to the AZ and J&J vaccines, it's a very serious situation, because these would be real people and real deaths and it could undermine faith in vaccines in general, for all diseases. Anti-vaxxers would be able to point to a large number of real deaths.

The thing is, we're relying on these vaccines to get us out of this pandemic, which is killing a hell of a lot more people. 

I understand why NIAC have restricted the AZ vaccine because there are alternatives, but now one of the alternatives seems to have the same problem. If it comes to light that the other vaccines have similar problems, well, we're in a pickle - we would then have to ask people to take vaccines for which there is a risk - a minute, miniscule one, but a risk nonetheless. 

The risks will have to be explained in a very clear and honest manner, because it may well be the case that we are asking 7.9 billion people to take vaccines which could have a worldwide death total of 7,900 people, if everybody took them. 

I will certainly get vaccinated when the time comes.

They should highlight the risk but let the people decide if they want the vaccine or not.

If you are under 60, you are 80 times more likely to die from Covid than the blood cloth from the vaccines.
The anti-vaccine people will always be haters. 

If you are overweight, a smoker or take the birth control
Pill you have a much higher chance of developing blood cloths.







Literally millions of people have already died from Covid. Millions more will also die unless they get vaccinated. 7,900 is nothing in that context 
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The threshold for vaccines and medication is a lot higher than does it kill less people than the disease it is trying to fight against.  That is not how it works and has never worked.  What is happening is due to the pandemic people are now suddenly interested and commenting on stuff that normally happens all the time over years and are understandably impatient and wanting the proper and normal procedures changed.  Theses procedures are there to one protect people from dying due to medication and also for confidence and litigation reasons.   
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

The threshold for vaccines and medication is a lot higher than does it kill less people than the disease it is trying to fight against.  That is not how it works and has never worked.  What is happening is due to the pandemic people are now suddenly interested and commenting on stuff that normally happens all the time over years and are understandably impatient and wanting the proper and normal procedures changed.  Theses procedures are there to one protect people from dying due to medication and also for confidence and litigation reasons.   

Planet Earth has never stuck a vaccine into 800M+ people with less than 6 months of trials. 

Proper and normal procedures are not been followed and time simply doesn’t allow it. 

People can decide if they smoke , drink , drive etc   They should be able to decide if they want the vaccines knowing the risk IMO. 

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Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Originally posted by Claret Murph Claret Murph wrote:

Question , when you get the jab you you sign a wavier before hand ?

Sort of thing could your famliy come back and go to the courts if you died ? 

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I take it that's a no
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Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

The threshold for vaccines and medication is a lot higher than does it kill less people than the disease it is trying to fight against.  That is not how it works and has never worked.  What is happening is due to the pandemic people are now suddenly interested and commenting on stuff that normally happens all the time over years and are understandably impatient and wanting the proper and normal procedures changed.  Theses procedures are there to one protect people from dying due to medication and also for confidence and litigation reasons.   

Planet Earth has never stuck a vaccine into 800M+ people with less than 6 months of trials. 

Proper and normal procedures are not been followed and time simply doesn’t allow it. 

People can decide if they smoke , drink , drive etc   They should be able to decide if they want the vaccines knowing the risk IMO. 

Those giving out should remember that it’s the authorities in the US as well as Johnson and Johnson themselves that have paused that vaccine and that many countries have similar age restrictions for the AZ vaccine.   All of these medical experts from all over the world know far more than I do that’s for sure.  Reading many social media posts by recent amateur experts is laughable.  
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

The threshold for vaccines and medication is a lot higher than does it kill less people than the disease it is trying to fight against.  That is not how it works and has never worked.  What is happening is due to the pandemic people are now suddenly interested and commenting on stuff that normally happens all the time over years and are understandably impatient and wanting the proper and normal procedures changed.  Theses procedures are there to one protect people from dying due to medication and also for confidence and litigation reasons.   

Planet Earth has never stuck a vaccine into 800M+ people with less than 6 months of trials. 

Proper and normal procedures are not been followed and time simply doesn’t allow it. 

People can decide if they smoke , drink , drive etc   They should be able to decide if they want the vaccines knowing the risk IMO. 

Those giving out should remember that it’s the authorities in the US as well as Johnson and Johnson themselves that have paused that vaccine and that many countries have similar age restrictions for the AZ vaccine.   All of these medical experts from all over the world know far more than I do that’s for sure.  Reading many social media posts by recent amateur experts is laughable.  
Good to laugh at yourself I believe, the experts say.

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Of course sure didn’t I say that they know far more than I do.   I am not going against the medical experts though and coming up with my own half baked solutions and theories.   I would
Think the onus is on those going against the experts to show their credentials and prove how they are correct.  That is a crucial difference.  I do not proclaim to be an expert and I am far from
It but I do trust the medical experts rather than journalists and other commentators on Twitter and social media who become self proclaimed experts over night and castigate those that have worked in the field for years.  Others who are frustrated and impatient then agree with them as it sounds great. 


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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Of course sure didn’t I say that they know far more than I do.   I am not going against the medical experts though and coming up with my own half baked solutions and theories.   I would
Think the onus is on those going against the experts to show their credentials and prove how they are correct.  That is a crucial difference.  I do not proclaim to be an expert and I am far from
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Of course sure didn’t I say that they know far more than I do.   I am not going against the medical experts though and coming up with my own half baked solutions and theories.   I would
Think the onus is on those going against the experts to show their credentials and prove how they are correct.  That is a crucial difference.  I do not proclaim to be an expert and I am far from
It but I do trust the medical experts rather than journalists and other commentators on Twitter and social media who become self proclaimed experts over night and castigate those that have worked in the field for years.  Others who are frustrated and impatient then agree with them as it sounds great. 

A few weeks ago you were saying the British medical association were wrong to give the vaccines 12 weeks apart.

Do you not think one of the oldest and most distinguished medical professionals in the world maybe know more than you and should be trusted to make this decision? 

Only time will tell which approach was best but quick decisions were and still are needed as people are dying every day. 


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Like yourself I'm no expert and never claimed to be. Anything I have said on this subject is based on data provided by more informed people than me. I said the chances of dying from a clot from AZ are 1 in a million and that we are set to get 800k doses in Q2. So there is an 80% chance that 1 person would die from an AZ vaccine induced blood clot. I do not think the risk merits limiting the AZ to a specific cohort. Obviously other people defer to those who think it is too big a risk to take. So be it.
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Guardian article about how experts in London got to the bottom of this blood clot thing and how there is hope as regards treatment of it:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/apr/13/how-uk-doctor-marie-scully-blood-clotting-link-astrazeneca-covid-jab-university-college-london-hospital
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Originally posted by Claret Murph Claret Murph wrote:

Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Originally posted by Claret Murph Claret Murph wrote:

Question , when you get the jab you you sign a wavier before hand ?

Sort of thing could your famliy come back and go to the courts if you died ? 

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I take it that's a no

Don't know about a waiver, but my aunt had to sign a consent form when getting AZ. And I'm sure it's so people can't do exactly that.
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Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

So this does mean summer is cancelled?
 
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