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Het-field
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If they had got enough seats they’d be in. The Shinners getting in would absolutely be more of the “same”. The change mantra is total rubbish.
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BrendanD88
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Exciting times.
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Het-field
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Very true. It’s the dynamic between two age old enemies and a powerful European Green Party that’s most compelling.
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Gary McKay
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Since the Shinners ‘won’ the election, Leo and now Martin have been Taoiseach
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"Smalling and Jones.... have the potential to be the PL’s best ever pairing in my opinion." - SlurAlex
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oldbilly
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didn’t think I’d see those fiddling ****s back in government after they broke the country , f**king glad I’m not young this place is f**ked
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thebronze14
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It's the equivalent of John Delaney making a return to the FAI in 10 years time!
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BrendanD88
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Exciting times though.
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the_walls
Jack Charlton 6 in a row, alive alive oh.. Joined: 13 Feb 2009 Location: Walkinstown Status: Offline Points: 5182 |
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The west of Ireland with no representation at cabinet and 1 senator from the Taoiseach's 11 Seanad nominations.
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Het-field
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The # mytaoiseach and #notmytaoiseach are doing the rounds. The first about people who are not Michael Martin, and the second about people who are Michael Martin.
I didn't know you could have a personal Taoiseach!
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Shoco
Roy Keane Hail Hail the Celts are here Joined: 14 Dec 2008 Location: Celthick Park Status: Offline Points: 13727 |
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Don’t see the issue with this, you pick the people you believe are best for the job not based on where they come from
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MayoMark
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Let's be honest though, that's not how the cabinet is really picked, even if ideally should be the case.
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They finally did it man... They killed my f**kin' car...
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sid waddell
Roy Keane On a dark desert highway Joined: 20 Nov 2009 Status: Offline Points: 12173 |
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Reach out and touch FFaith
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the_walls
Jack Charlton 6 in a row, alive alive oh.. Joined: 13 Feb 2009 Location: Walkinstown Status: Offline Points: 5182 |
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The issue I would have is that if you have an entire region of the country with no representation at cabinet level it means that it is much less likely to get it's fair share of investment and attention from government. Even if one were going to be less cynical and say that the west of Ireland having no representation won't affect investment in the region, there is no member of cabinet who will understand the issues and needs of the region, what will work and what may not, to the same degree that someone from the region would. The fact that Calleary wasn't given a ministry is bizarre also.
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Borussia
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Wallsy, do you think that, for example, the minister for equality should only be somebody who has experienced inequality in some way?
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the_walls
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Not necessarily, the whole point of such a ministry would be to promote equality as much as possible. Not being a victim of inequality doesn't mean that someone can't see blatant examples of inequality and address them or take advice from experts in the area for more subtle issues of inequality. It is not a valid comparison in my view, it's not as if there is a ministry for the west of Ireland. If you ignore an entire region of the country when forming a cabinet then almost certainly issues specific to that region aren't going to get the same attention to detail and certainly won't have a fair shot if there is a choice between a project on the east coast or a project on the west coast. The entire region has no voice at the center of power. If it's a case of the strictly the best person for the job, with no thought given given to gender, geographical or political considerations, then there is no need for our cabinet to be members of the Oireachtas at all, the Taoiseach should be able to choose the best person for the job who is willing to accept, like they do in the US.
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Borussia
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Maybe I'm an idealist but I also think it shouldn't matter where somebody is from - If they are competent enough that should be able to balance the needs of rural and urban alike.
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the_walls
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In an ideal world that would be exactly how it should work but the world has never operated like that and never will.
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Het-field
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I can understand the frustration in relation to Calleary. In fairness to him, he was an exceptionally hard working member, particularly during a very difficult time for FF. He is also the Deputy Leader of the Party. He was elected in 2007, and was one of the handful that won their seat back in 2011, and has always been a frontbencher. The Chief Whip job is also likely to be difficult in this Government.
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