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Originally posted by counterlock counterlock wrote:

Even the most basic clerical officer role in the public service requires applicants to go through an interview and evaluation process. When the barrier to entry is limited to who your relative is, we are onto a winner. But yea, nobody cares what people do with tax payers money LOL

Up until the 90s they were appointments within the PS.   A PO or and AP would get the gig and would advise them on policy in the Department etc. since the 90s they are more party loyalists who are the eyes and ears of the minister separate to the Department.  As a result the number one requirement for them is that they are loyal to the TD in question.  Same for every party.  This appointment is not unique.  It’s in line with every other such appointment.  It’s the same with opposition parties and their parliamentary assistants.  
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Even the most basic clerical officer role in the public service requires applicants to go through an interview and evaluation process. When the barrier to entry is limited to who your relative is, we are onto a winner. But yea, nobody cares what people do with tax payers money LOL
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Yes, nobody cares what people do with their own money. Trotskyist trade unionists claiming that senior officials should take only the average worker’s wage are likewise hypocrites and charlatans in equal measure. Aside from the transparent and infantile gaslighting, what more insidious message could you relay to employers than claim that any worker should be paid less than the rate for the job? Or that senior officials should be paid less than those junior to them? I have zero patience with these posturing popinjays.
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Originally posted by counterlock counterlock wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

I think playing politics with wages and salary is the lowest of the low in terms of appealing to voters (well, apart from the right wing nonsense spouted by the likes of the National Party). If that money is not going back to the exchequer it is being spent in a way that the recipient is willing to spend it even if all they are seeing is the “average industrial wage.” 

You must be disgusted with your beloved blueshirts increasing minimum wage on at least 4 separate occasions

You know full well I’m talking about playing politics with the wages and salaries of politicians. Minimum wage legislation and protection is to be welcomed across the political spectrum. It’s a damn sight different to politicians claiming the are only claiming the average industrial wage, while willingly returning money to party coffers etc.
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

I think playing politics with wages and salary is the lowest of the low in terms of appealing to voters (well, apart from the right wing nonsense spouted by the likes of the National Party). If that money is not going back to the exchequer it is being spent in a way that the recipient is willing to spend it even if all they are seeing is the “average industrial wage.” 

You must be disgusted with your beloved blueshirts increasing minimum wage on at least 4 separate occasions
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Originally posted by Green Cockade Green Cockade wrote:

Simply a Trotskyist agitational piece of b/s, empty vessel rhetoric beloved of the likes of the Socialist Party and the like. I have never met one of these folks who didn’t trouser the dosh when opportunity arose while simultaneously whining in a prolier than thou fashion about venal capitalists.
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Its one thing to draw down only the average industrial wage. But to do that and have high expenses is completely hypocratic. It basically means your not spending your wage. And alot of politicians are at that


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I think playing politics with wages and salary is the lowest of the low in terms of appealing to voters (well, apart from the right wing nonsense spouted by the likes of the National Party). If that money is not going back to the exchequer it is being spent in a way that the recipient is willing to spend it even if all they are seeing is the “average industrial wage.” 
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Simply a Trotskyist agitational piece of b/s, empty vessel rhetoric beloved of the likes of the Socialist Party and the like. I have never met one of these folks who didn’t trouser the dosh when opportunity arose while simultaneously whining in a prolier than thou fashion about venal capitalists.
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Why are people obsessed with people in the political realm working for the ‘average industrial wage.’ For some reason this became a political ploy, when in truth the excess above the average industrial wage wasn’t going back to the exchequer but into party coffers or into other organisations that effectively subscribed to the same ideology. I’d like to know how much of the excess money was ever returned to the exchequer from those who took the average industrial wage.
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Originally posted by counterlock counterlock wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Not sure what the issue is. It’s the gift of any minister to pick whoever they like as they will be the ones relying on their advisor.  She has done it before and she is obviously of FG blood. Both of which are attributes he will be looking for.   In addition he has just come from OPW so he would have worked with her directly recently.  Don’t see how it’s different to any other advisor appointment.  It will be the same whichever party is in power too.  The advisors will be a mixture of loyal party councillors, media experts, policy wonks etc whether it’s SF, FF, FG, SD or Lab in gov. 
The system is garbage, but the optics of appointing a prodigal party members sister, within days of her return is also garbage. Since these jobs are tax payer funded and not open competition, they should be the average industrial wage. Then let's see how many of those south of the Liffey take these positions 

I don’t think anyone would do it for that money.  You would be mad to. 
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Not sure what the issue is. It’s the gift of any minister to pick whoever they like as they will be the ones relying on their advisor.  She has done it before and she is obviously of FG blood. Both of which are attributes he will be looking for.   In addition he has just come from OPW so he would have worked with her directly recently.  Don’t see how it’s different to any other advisor appointment.  It will be the same whichever party is in power too.  The advisors will be a mixture of loyal party councillors, media experts, policy wonks etc whether it’s SF, FF, FG, SD or Lab in gov. 
The system is garbage, but the optics of appointing a prodigal party members sister, within days of her return is also garbage. Since these jobs are tax payer funded and not open competition, they should be the average industrial wage. Then let's see how many of those south of the Liffey take these positions 
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Is 100k a year a fair wage?
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Originally posted by counterlock counterlock wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by counterlock counterlock wrote:

Kate O' Connell is back in the FG flock and all of a sudden her sister is appointed special advisor to the prank phone call specialist, Patrick O' Donovan. Jobs for the lads

Advisors are like assistant managers in football.  They are the gift of the person appointing them and they just pick a person they trust.  Some go for a journalist, others go for a policy wonk and some go for a trusted friend they know and trust for years.  Often they are member of the party too but not alway.  They lose their position the minute the minister loses their job so there is no job security in the role. 
She's seconded from the OPW so it's not like she's out of a job when the FG bloodbath commences after the GE. Handy number all the same when you can be plucked from the public service and thrown in on 100k plus expenses because of who your sister is. 


Not sure what the issue is. It’s the gift of any minister to pick whoever they like as they will be the ones relying on their advisor.  She has done it before and she is obviously of FG blood. Both of which are attributes he will be looking for.   In addition he has just come from OPW so he would have worked with her directly recently.  Don’t see how it’s different to any other advisor appointment.  It will be the same whichever party is in power too.  The advisors will be a mixture of loyal party councillors, media experts, policy wonks etc whether it’s SF, FF, FG, SD or Lab in gov. 


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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by counterlock counterlock wrote:

Kate O' Connell is back in the FG flock and all of a sudden her sister is appointed special advisor to the prank phone call specialist, Patrick O' Donovan. Jobs for the lads

Advisors are like assistant managers in football.  They are the gift of the person appointing them and they just pick a person they trust.  Some go for a journalist, others go for a policy wonk and some go for a trusted friend they know and trust for years.  Often they are member of the party too but not alway.  They lose their position the minute the minister loses their job so there is no job security in the role. 
She's seconded from the OPW so it's not like she's out of a job when the FG bloodbath commences after the GE. Handy number all the same when you can be plucked from the public service and thrown in on 100k plus expenses because of who your sister is. 
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Originally posted by counterlock counterlock wrote:

Kate O' Connell is back in the FG flock and all of a sudden her sister is appointed special advisor to the prank phone call specialist, Patrick O' Donovan. Jobs for the lads

And her sister is married to Hugh O'Connell the journo
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