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Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Originally posted by Englishborn Englishborn wrote:

should be England 

Ifirc England stadiums bar Wembley and Spurs stadium fail to meet the uefa guidelines in terms of advertising, media space and warmup areas. 
Surely it's just Category 4 that's required isn't it? So any stadium that hold Champions League can hold Euros games.

You would think so but unfortunately not, I remember reading it before in terms of when England were preparing for the 2018 WC bid that the likes of Old Trafford and Anfield would require major upgrades in terms of capacity for media and areas around the pitch etc. 

Yea I remember this. Some crazy requirement with pitch side boundary's sizes ruled out a lot of stadiums  
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Originally posted by Charlton's Child Charlton's Child wrote:

Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Originally posted by Englishborn Englishborn wrote:

should be England 

Ifirc England stadiums bar Wembley and Spurs stadium fail to meet the uefa guidelines in terms of advertising, media space and warmup areas. 
Surely it's just Category 4 that's required isn't it? So any stadium that hold Champions League can hold Euros games.

You would think so but unfortunately not, I remember reading it before in terms of when England were preparing for the 2018 WC bid that the likes of Old Trafford and Anfield would require major upgrades in terms of capacity for media and areas around the pitch etc. 

Yea I remember this. Some crazy requirement with pitch side boundary's sizes ruled out a lot of stadiums  

That’s probably why they didn’t get the World Cup as there is no mention of this in their bid application- 

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Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by 9fingers 9fingers wrote:

It was a nonsense idea when it was first announced never mind now. 
True - but we all knew that anyway and it didn't stop it.

Originally posted by 9fingers 9fingers wrote:

I’d be surprised if it was moved to Russia or the UK tho. 
There can't be many countries which could host such an enlarged tournament at relatively short notice.

France, Spain, Italy and England possibly, but all have had big Covid issues.

Germany will get the next one.

Turkey aren't popular.  Belgium/Netherlands possibly, except that the former has by far the highest Covid death rate in Europe.

It could end up being Russia by default.

And brown envelope.
Russia has big Covid issues too so hard to see how they'll get it by default. 
Not according to the "official" figures, though:

As per the Johns Hopkins' list, the death rates per 100,000 population for the following European countries are:

103.8 - Belgium
77.6 - Spain
70.6 - UK
64.6 - Italy
55.9 - France
39.5 - Irish Republic
19.6 - Russia
12.9 - Germany
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

Of course, that Russian figure will have had to be approved by Putin and you know what they say about him over there: "If Vlad says it's Wednesday, then it's Wednesday!"

Oh, and there's this...

"Vladimir Putin says Russia has registered a coronavirus vaccine, and his daughter has been given it"

https://htwww.msn.com/en-us/news/us/vladimir-putin-says-russia-has-registered-coronavirus-vaccine-and-his-daughter-has-been-given-it/ar-BB17PraE
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Originally posted by Charlton's Child Charlton's Child wrote:

Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Originally posted by Englishborn Englishborn wrote:

should be England 

Ifirc England stadiums bar Wembley and Spurs stadium fail to meet the uefa guidelines in terms of advertising, media space and warmup areas. 
Surely it's just Category 4 that's required isn't it? So any stadium that hold Champions League can hold Euros games.

You would think so but unfortunately not, I remember reading it before in terms of when England were preparing for the 2018 WC bid that the likes of Old Trafford and Anfield would require major upgrades in terms of capacity for media and areas around the pitch etc. 

Yea I remember this. Some crazy requirement with pitch side boundary's sizes ruled out a lot of stadiums  

And yet Russia was permitted to get up to the 45k capacity minimum for WC2018 at Ekaterinburg by erecting this structure:



Apparently the roof and exterior of the venue (see below) were protected under Russian law, so they came up with the above temporary solution.
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Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by Englishborn Englishborn wrote:

Originally posted by 9fingers 9fingers wrote:

It was a nonsense idea when it was first announced never mind now. 
I’d be surprised if it was moved to Russia or the UK tho. 
England not uk

Shared with Scotland and Wales?

No. We dont need to. We have the stadia.  Scotland and Wales can do one
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Originally posted by Englishborn Englishborn wrote:

Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by Englishborn Englishborn wrote:

Originally posted by 9fingers 9fingers wrote:

It was a nonsense idea when it was first announced never mind now. 
I’d be surprised if it was moved to Russia or the UK tho. 
England not uk

Shared with Scotland and Wales?

No. We dont need to. We have the stadia.  Scotland and Wales can do one

From last December:

The "signs are positive" that a joint bid by the British and Irish football associations to host the 2030 World Cup could come to fruition, says Scottish FA chief executive Ian Maxwell.

The football associations of England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland discussed the prospect earlier this year.

https://httpwww.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45356482
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Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by Charlton's Child Charlton's Child wrote:

Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Originally posted by Englishborn Englishborn wrote:

should be England 

Ifirc England stadiums bar Wembley and Spurs stadium fail to meet the uefa guidelines in terms of advertising, media space and warmup areas. 
Surely it's just Category 4 that's required isn't it? So any stadium that hold Champions League can hold Euros games.

You would think so but unfortunately not, I remember reading it before in terms of when England were preparing for the 2018 WC bid that the likes of Old Trafford and Anfield would require major upgrades in terms of capacity for media and areas around the pitch etc. 

Yea I remember this. Some crazy requirement with pitch side boundary's sizes ruled out a lot of stadiums  

And yet Russia was permitted to get up to the 45k capacity minimum for WC2018 at Ekaterinburg by erecting this structure:

Apparently the roof and exterior of the venue (see below) were protected under Russian law, so they came up with the above temporary solution.


Those stands are still in there and in use by the local team, Ural, albeit it with slightly less capacity currently due to covid
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Originally posted by mouldymould mouldymould wrote:

Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

And yet Russia was permitted to get up to the 45k capacity minimum for WC2018 at Ekaterinburg by erecting this structure:

Apparently the roof and exterior of the venue (see below) were protected under Russian law, so they came up with the above temporary solution.

Those stands are still in there and in use by the local team, Ural, albeit it with slightly less capacity currently due to covid
About to go soon:

"The eye-catching temporary stands used for Ekaterinburg Arena’s hosting of 2018 FIFA World Cup games will be dismantled as work commences on repurposing the stadium as a multi-use venue.

Russian state news agency Tass said the 12,000 seats used for the two stands will be redistributed across stadia in eight municipalities of the region of Sverdlovsk Oblast, of which Yekaterinburg is the administrative centre.

Ekaterinburg Arena hosted four group games during the World Cup, with the temporary stands giving it the 35,000-capacity necessary to be a venue for the tournament. Extending beyond the façade of the stadium, the temporary stands became a major talking point during the World Cup, with fans situated in these seats located outside the main bowl."

https://htwww.thestadiumbusiness.com/2020/04/24/iconic-2018-world-cup-venue-set-lose-temporary-stands/

Which shouldn't bother FC Ural, since their average home crowd this season is 8,859:

https://httpwww.footballwebpages.co.uk/russian-premier-league/attendances

P.S. I seem to recall that the minimum capacity in 2018 should have been 45k, but Russia sprang this 35k capacity on FIFA too late to do anything about it? Same with Kaliningrad too, iirc.



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Originally posted by mouldymould mouldymould wrote:

Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by Charlton's Child Charlton's Child wrote:

Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Originally posted by Englishborn Englishborn wrote:

should be England 

Ifirc England stadiums bar Wembley and Spurs stadium fail to meet the uefa guidelines in terms of advertising, media space and warmup areas. 
Surely it's just Category 4 that's required isn't it? So any stadium that hold Champions League can hold Euros games.

You would think so but unfortunately not, I remember reading it before in terms of when England were preparing for the 2018 WC bid that the likes of Old Trafford and Anfield would require major upgrades in terms of capacity for media and areas around the pitch etc. 

Yea I remember this. Some crazy requirement with pitch side boundary's sizes ruled out a lot of stadiums  

And yet Russia was permitted to get up to the 45k capacity minimum for WC2018 at Ekaterinburg by erecting this structure:

Apparently the roof and exterior of the venue (see below) were protected under Russian law, so they came up with the above temporary solution.


Those stands are still in there and in use by the local team, Ural, albeit it with slightly less capacity currently due to covid

Capacity is not the issue though it's area around the pitch for media. If you look at most modern stadiums there is a gap of about 3-6 foot between the stands and the pitch.

Majority of English grounds don't have that the pitch is right up next to the stands
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Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Capacity is not the issue though it's area around the pitch for media. If you look at most modern stadiums there is a gap of about 3-6 foot between the stands and the pitch.

Majority of English grounds don't have that the pitch is right up next to the stands

Not saying you're wrong, but three things occur:
1. If they're worried about those electronic advertising signs, then every major stadium in England now has these;
2. England are bidding for the 2030 using a number of existing stadia - OT, Anfield, Newcastle etc - which physically couldn't be reconfigured, nor will they be rebuilt;
3. I've been to Spurs, which is undoubtedly compliant with the latest requirements (NFL as well as football) and the gap between stand and pitch is not noticeably wider than older grounds:
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Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Capacity is not the issue though it's area around the pitch for media. If you look at most modern stadiums there is a gap of about 3-6 foot between the stands and the pitch.

Majority of English grounds don't have that the pitch is right up next to the stands

Not saying you're wrong, but three things occur:
1. If they're worried about those electronic advertising signs, then every major stadium in England now has these;
2. England are bidding for the 2030 using a number of existing stadia - OT, Anfield, Newcastle etc - which physically couldn't be reconfigured, nor will they be rebuilt;
3. I've been to Spurs, which is undoubtedly compliant with the latest requirements (NFL as well as football) and the gap between stand and pitch is not noticeably wider than older grounds:



Yeah reading the English 2018 WC bid it stated only minor adjustments were needed....

It’s certainly not a show blocker. 

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