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Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

I personally don't believe that Doherty and Coleman can play in the same team, or that Doherty can play on the wing.

As others have pointed out, Doherty scores his goals and gets his assists when the ball is played in front of him on the edge of the box.

He rarely beats a man with skill or pace, his game is arriving late at the back post unmarked. He won't get to do this as a right winger, the onus will be on him to beat men and create chances, as opposed to getting on the end of chances created by more dynamic attacking players (at club level).

I actually quite like the prospect of a front three of Connolly-McGoldrick-Robinson, you've got pace and trickery on both sides and McGoldrick drops back to help the midfield, which could create chances for the other two players.

I feel we'll be even blunter (than usual) with a right back as part of our attack.



I agree with all that. I think that front three can actually cause teams problems. It is a good mix of pace and intelligence. Connolly is our main goal threat from midfield and as limited as Robinson is, pace hurts teams and hurts them more when someone like McGoldrick can get them in behind.

At this stage it feels like the team picks itself,  which isn't a bad thing.
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Originally posted by Mr Brick Mr Brick wrote:

Fozz: Your first comment is fair enough. On the second, Stephen Kenny has indicated both Coleman and Doherty can be accommodated in a team. If he acts on it, the team I chose would be my selection. And if he doesn't, I still believe it our best line-out. I have no evidence for anything. 


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I agree with the other commenters - they technically can play together but are unlikely to next Thursday.
And if it came to a choice of Doherty or Robinson on the attacking right, I'd be inclined to go with Robinson.


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Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Are we basing the few minutes vs Gibralter that Coleman and Doherty 
both played on the same side as all the evidence that it cant work? 

Playing Coleman at right back and Doherty further upfield doesn't seem like an impossible task to me... its not like christie in midfield which really is out of position.

I think a proper attempt at getting them both to play on the right is not an extraordinary ask. It we can get them to play together that could be very useful.



The ball spent more time swirling around in the wind in Gibraltar than it did on the ground, I don't think we can gleam much from that game. In any case, Doherty's performance on the right that day was hardly any worse than many others who have played there over the last 5 years, and most of them have received plenty of chances to improve.
That was the right hand side of a middle 4 not a middle 3. 

I'm aware of that, I'm not advocating for him to play in a middle 3.
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Good players should be able to play anywhere. Jack Charlton had Paul McGrath in midfield, I think he played Ronnie Whelan right back once. If the team are well drilled, then a player with the intelligence and athleticism of Doherty should be able to play rightside of midfield.
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f**k I wish we had a player half as good as
Paul Mcgrath or Ronnie Whelan
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Originally posted by Jasonic Jasonic wrote:

Good players should be able to play anywhere. Jack Charlton had Paul McGrath in midfield, I think he played Ronnie Whelan right back once. If the team are well drilled, then a player with the intelligence and athleticism of Doherty should be able to play rightside of midfield.
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If we don't qualify this isn't on Kenny. This fixture was pretty much avoidable if Mick actually went out to win very winnable games.
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Originally posted by DeclanDaly DeclanDaly wrote:

f**k I wish we had a player half as good as
Paul Mcgrath or Ronnie Whelan


Isn't it funny how in an era with modern and better coaching, better pitches and non stop football on tv to emulate as youngsters footballers are worse than a generation or two ago.

Football is far less interesting and enjoyable than 30 yrs ago
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Jasonic Jasonic wrote:

Good players should be able to play anywhere. Jack Charlton had Paul McGrath in midfield, I think he played Ronnie Whelan right back once. If the team are well drilled, then a player with the intelligence and athleticism of Doherty should be able to play rightside of midfield.
The game has changed.


Not sure.  I'm sure Paul McGrath would be considered the best centre half in England and possibly the world if he was playing now.  He'd also have the versatility to play a variety of positions.  McGrath was top class.

Whelan is better than nearly every midfielder in the Premier League now and would certainly be a stand out player if he played today. 

The standard of players has dropped a lot in 30 years.
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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by DeclanDaly DeclanDaly wrote:

f**k I wish we had a player half as good as
Paul Mcgrath or Ronnie Whelan


Isn't it funny how in an era with modern and better coaching, better pitches and non stop football on tv to emulate as youngsters footballers are worse than a generation or two ago.

Football is far less interesting and enjoyable than 30 yrs ago




Hadn't got the likes of Tablets, Playstations XBoxes etc.. (Sure some kids had consoles but not everyone). Most kids would have been out to till dark playing football on the road something you rarely see nowadays. There's defo some sort  correlation there IMO
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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by DeclanDaly DeclanDaly wrote:

f**k I wish we had a player half as good as
Paul Mcgrath or Ronnie Whelan


Isn't it funny how in an era with modern and better coaching, better pitches and non stop football on tv to emulate as youngsters footballers are worse than a generation or two ago.

Football is far less interesting and enjoyable than 30 yrs ago



No our footballers are worse as we had a golden generation during the 80s.  

France have a better team now than they did in the late 80s early 90s.  So do Portugal and Finland and a few others. 
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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Jasonic Jasonic wrote:

Good players should be able to play anywhere. Jack Charlton had Paul McGrath in midfield, I think he played Ronnie Whelan right back once. If the team are well drilled, then a player with the intelligence and athleticism of Doherty should be able to play rightside of midfield.
The game has changed.


Not sure.  I'm sure Paul McGrath would be considered the best centre half in England and possibly the world if he was playing now.  He'd also have the versatility to play a variety of positions.  McGrath was top class.

Whelan is better than nearly every midfielder in the Premier League now and would certainly be a stand out player if he played today. 

The standard of players has dropped a lot in 30 years.
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the sad reality is that McGrath with his training situation would probably not last in the modern game as it’s far quicker and relentless than it was.  

McGrath was world class and is my favorite player but I am not sure with his knee issue if his body would have let him get to the pace of the game that it is now. 
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Not me anyway.  Why what happened on it. 
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by DeclanDaly DeclanDaly wrote:

f**k I wish we had a player half as good as
Paul Mcgrath or Ronnie Whelan


Isn't it funny how in an era with modern and better coaching, better pitches and non stop football on tv to emulate as youngsters footballers are worse than a generation or two ago.

Football is far less interesting and enjoyable than 30 yrs ago



No our footballers are worse as we had a golden generation during the 80s.  

France have a better team now than they did in the late 80s early 90s.  So do Portugal and Finland and a few others. 


Nah.  Football worldwide is of a lesser standard that 30 years ago. 
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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by DeclanDaly DeclanDaly wrote:

f**k I wish we had a player half as good as
Paul Mcgrath or Ronnie Whelan


Isn't it funny how in an era with modern and better coaching, better pitches and non stop football on tv to emulate as youngsters footballers are worse than a generation or two ago.

Football is far less interesting and enjoyable than 30 yrs ago



No our footballers are worse as we had a golden generation during the 80s.  

France have a better team now than they did in the late 80s early 90s.  So do Portugal and Finland and a few others. 


Nah.  Football worldwide is of a lesser standard that 30 years ago. 

It's clearly just not, Ireland may not have as good a team, by by most other measures the game is miles ahead. Maradona was the superstar footballer in the mid-80's, but as incredible as he was his record doesn't come close to the greatest players of this generation, Messi and Ronaldo.
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