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Jack Charlton Joined: 25 Nov 2014 Status: Offline Points: 5817 |
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That was what I inferred from your comparison. But you can put me right, would you have preferred our group or yours?
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Robbie Keane Aye Kes, I've pissed me-self again Joined: 06 Oct 2010 Location: Barbados Status: Offline Points: 22173 |
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I merely stated that I believed Denmark and Switzerland at this present are a lot closer to Germany and Holland than many would imagine (or even try to imagine) and our group was still a very difficult one which I said as much when we were drawn in it, at best we were only ever going to finish 3rd. From a footballing perspective I would rather be drawn with Switzerland and Denmark but a fairly sizeable portion of our fan base half underestimated the threat posed by both and thought it was well within our reach to finish above either side (which was laughable) The benefit of being thrown in with Holland and Germany, was that the games would of been half seen as free hits and expectations far lower. I used to detest seeing Northern Ireland do well "but" since Michael O'Neill took over I'll admittedly say that he's one of my idols (from a managerial/coaching point of view and study him closely) he has done a fantastic job and actually wouldn't begrudge your lot doing well but not at our expense of course
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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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Definitely one of my idols too, albeit from a drinking point of view.
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Green Devil
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"He drives two Ferraris; I think he's a very lucky lad to have 50 caps for Ireland,"
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Davey Langan Joined: 31 Mar 2010 Location: East Sussex Status: Offline Points: 899 |
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Northern Eire maybe.. I think the likely playoff teams will be Iceland, Serbia and Georgia (at home twice) and then any of our path could qualify. I just dont see us losing in normal time against Slovakia. Just watched highlights of their group games- defence is caught open and stretched and dont have a big man presence in CB.. could be a weak point to get duffy, mcgoldrick etc up challenging in the air for a 1 nil win! Hope the final is in the north, think we have better chance beating them than away to Bosnia and Dzeko
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Considering the group the team will be landed in, even if qualification occurs, I'm not entirely sure I'd like to see the team qualify anyway. That's not to mention that the team is currently at a pretty low ebb and unlikely to add anything in terms of football to the finals. I'd fear a hockeying of Euro 2012 levels.
The Irish fans themselves bring good cheer to tournaments, and if it were only about that, the team qualifying wouldn't be a bad thing at all. One bit of caution even here is that in the age of viral videos and social media, I feel like it could get to a stage where it becomes a bit try-hard, and certain fans concoct a stunt that ends up going totally wrong. So, even there I'd say to have your fun, but let any events come from being genuinely fun-loving, and not from feeling like you have to be the life and soul of the party or that you need to make some Youtube hit. But back to the football - there's a problem with Ireland qualifying in that even if they play pretty badly throughout qualifying but squeak through, all concerns over the football are met with a chorus of "OLÉÉÉÉÉ, OLÉ, OLÉ, OLÉÉÉÉÉÉÉ!". It's like qualifying completely papers over the cracks temporarily, but it really is only a temporary thing, for when reality sets in, we become even more pessimistic than before. So we go from a period of saying nothing should be done about the football, right into nothing can be done about the football. We seem to be happier with short term gains than harder long-term building. It may eventually take a longer period of real wilderness, i.e. not even getting a sniff of qualification for Irish football to completely rebuild itself and usher in a new generation of players who can really compete. Until that happens, I worry we might just settle into a pattern of hoping for the odd qualification and a knees-up.
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Robbie Keane YBIG Minister of Doom & Gloom Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Irish Riviera Status: Online Points: 39806 |
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Just goes to show what a joke of a tournament the Euros has become if Scotland qualify. They have been absolute muck and yet could still be there. We dont deserve to be there and they certainly dont.
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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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They won their NL group. Now, I think the connection between the two competitions is ridiculous, but that’s more of a reason than we have. They even won more games in their group, even if they got hockeyed by the good teams.
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rolo
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There's been a lot of muck flung at the team and manager in the past few days on this forum, and this is up there with the most outrageous. Scotland were in a 6-team group that had a 6th seed in it (San Marino), whereas Ireland were in a 5-team group which had no sixth seed. Scotland played two more games than us, (against the sixth seed), which is why they won more games than us (five versus three). They lost away to the fifth seed - Kazakhstan - who were in the same pot as Gibraltar, two places above (the former were seeded 47th, the latter 49th). Edited by rolo - 22 Nov 2019 at 10:32pm |
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Worry about Slovakia first, wouldn't even think about the final yet. That all that matters for now.
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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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They are sh*te, unquestionably, but we are f**king atrocious! They deserve a play-off, based on at least winning their group, albeit a lower level. We deserve nothing.
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Robbie Keane I love Vulvas Joined: 09 Aug 2011 Location: Dublin Status: Online Points: 25070 |
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Who gives a fook if we deserve nothing. We're still in the mix for qualification albeit just about.
We deserved nothing in the miracle victories against the Dutch in 01 and the Germans a few years back but I'll take that. Scotland won their NL group and were guaranteed a playoff place. They definitely have a lot more merit to be involved at this stage than us even if they were in a lower league. I prefer the old system. It takes the edge out of it when we knew that we could still qualify via the NL and last Monday night should've been the decider. Still looking forward to Slovakia next March.
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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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You obviously don’t, that’s fine, but I do. It’s embarrassing we still have a chance really. Beat Georgia at home and we get playoff. We qualified for a play-off before either tournament began. It’s very hard to give a f**k about the match in Bosnia, I might feel different at the time, but now I am just disappointed that international football is being destroyed.
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Do Northern Ireland deserve to be in a play-off? Nope.
We got two points in the nations league, they got zero. But you’ll still get some on here saying they’re a great side and deserve to be there on merit. |
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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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I won’t. The whole thing is a farce.
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Jimmy Raggatip
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being destroyed is an odd angle
if anything its being improved less pointless friendlies, more competitive matches and against teams in and around your own standard too.
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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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It depends on your definition of competitive! Ireland will have played 12 competitive matches, and we all know the record, to get down to the last 36 teams in Europe. Nobody is disputing that friendlies need to be a thing of the past, but the NL should have no impact on qualifying. Leave it separate, with finals in each division and return to a proper Euros where every qualification match, even the dead rubbers, felt in some way important.
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Robbie Keane YBIG Minister of Doom & Gloom Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Irish Riviera Status: Online Points: 39806 |
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That's the bit I hate. We will be playing the same teams all the bloody time. It also devalues the qualifiers themselves. I am not sure but having a safety net of the playoff from the NL must have an effect subconsciously. I bet Mick McCarthy wasn't too disappointed to end up in the playoffs.
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