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had to laugh at the ifa are happy to Proceed now a third party isn't involved. Now they only have 1 party left to Fall out with. Shouldn't take long
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Jackal
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Someone has to lose out though. Small clubs with an alright fan base might suddenly find themselves more or less at the fringes of the league. Drogheda and Waterford being examples in our league.
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Drumcondra 69er
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https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/sport/all-ireland-league-plan-now-backed-by-ifa-and-fai-in-dramatic-change-of-heart-by-governing-bodies-40272822.html
Bit wishy washy on details but talk here they'd look to go ahead without Lucid.
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MC Hammered
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So we have Linfield and Glentorna open to considering an AIL but Cliftonville against
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Jackal
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The Sun newspaper have said that ten northern clubs including all the big unionist clubs are in favour of a form of an All Ireland league.
Edited by Jackal - 11 Jul 2020 at 5:25pm |
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savo01
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I think an AIL would be ok from UEFA's point of view as they'd love to be seen to be involved with something that had an angle of building bridges/promoting peace etc.
As for European places you'd have to weigh up how much the teams make against how much they could make from the League itself. There are a lot of cost factors involved with hosting European ties as we know, Dundalk having to do up the dugouts in Tallaght for example so even if it says you will get for example £200,000 for being in a 1st round, you will obviously have to pay out X amount of that. In terms of the League and revenue it seems there will have to be a bit of a leap of faith but surely this is the case with all League's. When the clubs decided to form the Premier League they had no TV deal or sponsorship in place but once the product was decided TV companies and sponsors knew what they were investing in. Bar a handful of clubs the NI clubs are very poor but cut their cloth accordingly, I have been told in recent years of players in the Premiership getting £80 per week and in one season players paying subs to the club so I think they would welcome some decent money. Lets say that each of the 14 clubs were guaranteed €300,000 or £250,000 per season, that's about €5/6m needed per season for the League to operate, with different TV companies and sponsors would that be achievable in peoples opinion?
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Johnny Giles. Ireland Mick McCarthy, Stephen Staunton Cascarino Tony Galvin, Niall Quinn Packie doesn't let em in North of Ireland South of Ireland Only one can go |
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There's no way the NI league agrees to it being branded the Celtic league. The League of Rangers now that might pass.
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Tribesman91
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FIFA wasn't the reason that made the IFA say no. They said no because our clubs are a farce. Except for UCD, every club here is four or five bad results away from a financial crisis and it's been that way since partition
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The Huntacha
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Talks to resume at the end of January, with consultation running until end of March.
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t_rAndy
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How about a Celtic league?
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UCDFAN
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@Territorial
yes, trust your instincts. NIR has negotiated, agreed, shared space, formal pyramid structure. IRL not so much, it has four pillars of football environments Junior, University/College, Senior and Intermediate. #4Pillars. The Senior emvironment wants the advantages of "top tier" pyramid structure without the disadvantages of tolerance and negotiation. What tournament are they up for? There are many in SSE Airtricity who are attracted to the prestige of international travel so many football followers celebrate the homogenous sloganism "Europe", "Europe", "Europe", "Europe" before consideration of domestic club tournaments incld. SSE AL Premier Division. If they primarily support UEFA CL and UEFA EL these football fans should say and represent what they want more accurately. Wastage: SSE AL Premier Division is right-wing atm (kinda always was) so capatilist use, abuse and misuse of resources is applied. Players, Managers and FCs are trashed with excuses "you're always going get that.." "there'll always be some clubs that cant make the mark" "Exclusion is part n parcel of football". Lesson from very recent history: Through 1980s Manchester, Lancashire was creating pretty matchbox models of sports venues (some multi-use) in a collective application to host IOC Olympics. The applications didn't have the support of the central government in London. Manchester didnt host IOC Olympics, twice. Sheffield, South Yorkshire applied and won permission to host FISU Universiade (World Student Games) in 1991. 14 sports incld Athletics, Swimming, Basketball and Football. Football hosted in about dozen venues. Don Valley athletics stadium and Ponds Forge swimming venue new-builds. (Ireland won Gold in Womens and Mens 1500m. Ireland was in same group as Islamic Republic of Iran, USA and GBR). Sheffield using university governing body FISU got their multi-sports tourament, Manchester didnt using IOC. In the same way under the FISU structure Irish Universities Football Union with Colleges FAI have all-island gender-equal winter-long CUFL leagues and IUFU short week tournaments. The FIFA structure through SSE AL and Danske Bank League has talk of 'an' all-island league, the FIFA structure needs to acknowledge and recognise what is there already. |
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Territorial
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There's another aspect to this for the Northern clubs that is getting overlooked. Let us assume the top 5 or 6 IL clubs get into the AIL, it delivers all that has been promised and they successfully go f-t, whilst being competitive etc. If you're not one of the 5 or 6 and you're an IL club who gets promoted from the Northern Regional League, you have a choice: A. Take a gamble on going f-t, it still doesn't keep you up more than a season or two, and you find yourself relegated again with big debts; B. Stay p-t, which means you have even less chance of staying up. Neither choice is v.palatable and over the long term, it would mean that the lesser/yo-yo clubs, esp from outside Belfast, would be pretty much permanently cast adrift from the "Big Teams". This is different from the LOI in one crucial respect. You would have 8 or 9 f-t teams in the AIL, which is about as much as the ROI could reasonably support long term, fair enough. But if that means casting adrift the other teams currently in your Championship, so what? No disrespect, but from what I can see, that league is a bit of a joke. Whereas the IL Championship, whilst modest in scope, is stable and competitive within its own terms. Moreover, there is already a clear, established pyramid down to the next level (Intermediate), which itself goes down to Junior football. We would have to abandon all of that, not least because the Intermediate and Junior clubs would continue to play a conventional winter season, which would screw up their means/hopes of getting into AIL Regional North. I get the impression that not so many people in ROI would be that bothered if the clubs outside the Chosen Few in the LOI Premier division just withered away (their respective supporters aside, obviously). Whereas the IL has established clubs like Carrick, Institute, Ballinamallard, Warrenpoint, Newry and Ards in the regions who can hope to get into the IL Prem if they get organised, some of whom have come from a long way down the pyramid not so long ago. I get the impression that Lucid hadn't a clue about any of this and no-one told him, because he didn't consult properly in NI before he finalised his proposals.
Edited by Territorial - 15 Nov 2019 at 6:27pm |
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UCDFAN
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Harding Cup, The Dub, Queens University Belfast Sportsground Road, Monday 18th -20th November
The Harding Cup quarter final draw:-
The 3-day tourney for fresher third level students on Malone Road (possibly Lower, maybe Upper), brings the 'people-who-give-a-sh1t-about-football' community together again. Football continues to take place, others talk about it. One outcome of integration is reduction of visible barriers to natural invisibility, long may that continue. #cross-border #all-island #All-Ireland (if you're into that sort of thing). Edited by UCDFAN - 15 Nov 2019 at 5:57pm |
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Drumcondra 69er
Jack Charlton Joined: 07 Oct 2009 Location: Ireland Status: Online Points: 7123 |
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Chicken and egg situation in a lot of ways. UEFA more likely to respond positively if the clubs are onside.
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Territorial
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He'd have had a much better chance of making progress by the following process: 1. Approach UEFA first; 2. Get an answer; 3. Take it back to the clubs. Unless, of course, he wasn't sure that he/the clubs would like the answer he got? |
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Territorial
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Maybe, but mere "interest" doesn't pay the bills. And even should that interest be converted into hard cash, what long term guarantees are there eg that the TV companies wouldn't just walk away if the viewing figures and advertising didn't meet their targets? Remember this?
The IL clubs want the same as the LOI clubs - the raised standards and increased crowds/revenues which should follow f-t football. But the AIL isn't the only show in town - there's UEFA money too, and not just individual club prize money, but solidarity money and youth development grants as well. Were the IL to throw their hand in with an AIL, they could have as few as five clubs, maybe even fewer after a couple of seasons of promotion and relegation. I can't for the life of me see how UEFA could or would allow more than four European places for a league of that status. So when up against Dundalk, Shams, Derry and the rest, what realistic chance would even the top NI club have of clinching a European place? Whereas at present, the IL is only temporarily down to three European places (will revert to four in another season), which offers real hope to 6 or 7 clubs of hard cash, as opposed to the mere promise of future cash for 4? 5? or 6? from Lucid's AIL. Meanwhile, both Linfield and Crues are progressing towards f-t football, the Glens finally look to have got their sh*t together with debts cleared, a new investor, redevelopment potential at The Oval and realistic f-t ambitions. And in Larne, while their wealthy new owner is already paying f-t wages, he is also building a very impressive stadium and training facility, so he looks to be there for the long term. Add to that the financial and playing recovery at Coleraine under Kearney, decent enough clubs at Cliftonville and Ballymena and potential (at least) at Glenavon and even Portadown(!), and the league is improving by the season, even if it's small steps. Do they really want to risk all that with a "leap in the dark" into an AIL?
With you there - remember the train goes both ways! Better still, it doesn't waste a couple of hours touring every townland and boghole in North Co.Louth, like the buses carrying those bluenosed bastards had to endure on Monday evening. (Serves them right, btw )
Edited by Territorial - 15 Nov 2019 at 3:25pm |
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Stickittotheman
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I think that is the bottom line for many. If an all island league leads to the amalgimation or otherwise folding of the IFA then what becomes of the NI team? So it is an unanswerd question that unless UEFA made their feelings known beforehand would be sure to plague negotiations.
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Walters coming back from an offside position but Shane Long was definitely onside- Shane Lonnggggggg.... has done it!!!!
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