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Donegalman
Liam Brady Joined: 16 Jun 2015 Location: Donegal Status: Offline Points: 1650 |
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I know the last campaign wasn’t successful but we finished 2nd having only drawn away to Georgia, 3 draws against the top 3 seeds at home and our results against Moldova were far from spectacular 3-1 away and 2-0 at home.
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JohnSwift
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Fully agree with this. Another fixture worth mentioning is Ireland v Faroe Islands in October 2004. Brian Kerr had a team which included Roy Keane, Robbie Keane, Damien Duff, Stephen Carr and Steve Finnan. The Irish team had drawn in Paris four days earlier, but only beat the Faroes 2-0 at home. One of the goals was a penalty. If that Irish team hadn't dropped points against Israel and lost at home to France, they were pretty close to qualifying.
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pre Madonna
Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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The problem isn’t really that we struggled to beat Gibraltar, it is more that we really aren’t creating chances. We have had two home games against weaker opposition and while we dominated possession, we created very little. We also created little in Gibraltar and of the four games played, Randolph has had to prove his worth in three of them. |
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pre Madonna
Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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If must be the most overused word on YBIG!
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Drumcondra 69er
Jack Charlton Joined: 07 Oct 2009 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 7106 |
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Correct. There's loads of examples from unsuccessful campaigns as well but I was just looking at the ones we qualified out of. In fact, in that campaign if we hadn't thrown away leads home and away against Israel then we'd have topped the group even with the loss to France.
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Drumcondra 69er
Jack Charlton Joined: 07 Oct 2009 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 7106 |
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We created enough chances to put 4 or 5 on Gibraltar despite not playing well. Two goals, McGoldrick off the post, McGoldrick when he seemed to be caught between cushioning it towards McClean or putting his foot through it, Hogan when he didn't connect with the header. Pretty sure there's a couple more I can't think off off the top of my head. Against Denmark we had the goal and the two chances where McClean simply needed to square the ball rather than take the shot on. We're creating far more than we did under MON. It's taking them that's the problem.
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Het-field
Roy Keane By Appointment to His Majesty The King Joined: 08 Mar 2016 Status: Offline Points: 10345 |
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Lichtenstein in 1995 and San Marino in 2007 can be easily forgotten. Taking 30 minutes to score against Lichtenstein in 1997, almost dropping points in Malta in 1999 after taking a 2 goal lead. Not scoring more than 5 in a single game for over 30 years. The game in Astana in 2012, the list goes on and on. And that doesn’t even mention the games against relative minows like Cyprus, Albania etc in the recent past.
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Strazdas
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These qualifying campaigns are a hard slog, especially for the non top tier sides. Performances can be all over the place, you're in a constant battle just to get the points. Trying to judge us as a team based on how we played against Gibraltar is ludicrous stuff, you're not going to learn too much in a game like that.
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pre Madonna
Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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We are creating a little bit more, but I also feel we are giving up more chances than the last campaign. The Danes, while showing us far too much respect, particularly in the first half, they really started to open us up with one slight tactical change
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RogerMilla
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superdave thanks a million for that post finally i am getting on top of this thing..
i think our next game defines all. if we lose to swiss then we'll need snookers. if we draw then we can hope to go undefeated by setting up very tight away to swiss and georgia and then by drawing with denmark at home , the other results will then define what place we get . if we win the momentum will be huge and we are very close to qualifying indeed and the buzz will be back. massive game
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The first time the Devil made me do it. The second time I did it on my own.
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Jimmy Raggatip
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probably about time we started putting these teams to the sword rather than taking the stance that things have always been a certain way
its not a big price that all the games between us, Denmark and Switzerland end in draws, and we'll be out on our arse probably we should be showing ambition and attacking verve not just settling for routine wins
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kearney304
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Enjoyed this post. A lot of bollocks gets spouted on here.
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kearney304
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For what it's worth we have to be a bit braver as well. We can't just beat the sh*te teams and hope the big teams f**k up.
We need to beat Denmark or Switzerland at home. Or at least take the game to them. I believe Mick will do this in September but it may not work. All I** want is for us to have a go and take a chance. Not put 10 behind the ball and pray we don't concede. If we have a go and don't qualify so be it. I've enough of the hit and hope and rubbish MON used to put us through: Home games v - Scotland - Serbia - Austria - Wales etc *** I'm saying I because last time I said we there was holy war.
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Drumcondra 69er
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No one is taking any stance that I can see. Just pointing out that we routinely struggle to put these teams to the sword yet generally beat them and it doesn't seem to impact on how we play against the bigger teams. I wish it wasn't that way and I don't know why it is but it's been like that for generations.
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Strazdas
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100% : it seems to make no difference whether we beat a team like Gibraltar 1-0 or 7-0, it has zero impact on how we play against the bigger teams. People are reading way too much into the result / performance the other night.
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The Tribesman
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In theory as a 5 team group goal difference could count, which would take into account The Gibraltar Scorelines!
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Terzino
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The perspective is that we've been here before. Since the Charlton era there's been a doggedness about Ireland.
With good or bad teams we have maintained a competitive level of performance against better teams than us for decades, apart from a few odd occasions - the Staunton era and the end of O'Neill's reign. There's an accepted standard. Even if we don't have the best players, the internal culture of the team is one that they are expected to run themselves into the ground, defend like their lives depend on it, and keep going until the very end, because, no matter how a game has gone, we'll always get one chance to score. Even if it's in the 91st minute. Our team would never go to Hungary and lose, for example, And certainly not with the type of players that Wales have available to them. Our players are too bloody-minded for that to happen. And that's why games versus Gibraltar etc, will have little bearing on how we play against the likes of Switzerland or Denmark.
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pre Madonna
Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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I think the concern is that we hardly ever play well. When was the last time we played well? Euro 2016?
I really don’t think we can get to 16 points playing badly and it is hard to have hope based solely on our resilience.
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