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mandrake
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Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 11:44am |
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yeh, terrible v lux in firt half .. boo'd off the pitch at half time, andorra one down and then got back played well hammered them... estonia away, played ok dunne scored
sometimes performances are remembered... its international games 8 per year not club games...40 per year
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eddiebro
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Pre Euro 2012 Robbies Keanes famous last words “we’re not going to make up the numbers”, laughable. Micks second reign looks destined to fail, if we’re not going to get rid of the trap/MON hangovers and play more expensive. Blooding youngsters has been put on the long finger and Doherty on the bench. No other international team would have their best player on the bench. Even if we qualify based on this last weeks performances we’ll struggle to get a single decent performance at the euros. Wes’ cross for Robbie Brady and goal against Sweden in Euro 2016 were instrumental in getting us out of that group but we’ve since failed to find an alternative number 10 to fill that void. Immensely frustrating
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Terzino
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I would say our team has two modes: passive and aggressive. Passive can get results, but is dire to watch. Aggressive is a more risky approach, but is far more entertaining. We have to beat either Switzerland or Denmark at home. Two draws will be no good to us. Realistically that means we have to be aggressive. With our poor goal-scoring record, we have to create multiple chances just to get a goal. And that means that we will give up some chances too. Even if our best hope for a goal is a set-piece. We still have to take risks to get up the field to put pressure on the opposition and force free-kicks or corners. So the games may not be pretty, but they should be entertaining and filled with tension. Especially if we take the lead. The recent match against Georgia was the perfect example of such a game.
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irelandshirts
Ray Houghton I love Ireland jerseys Joined: 02 Apr 2010 Location: Jersey Status: Offline Points: 4416 |
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10 points I think most people will agree is what we hoped and expected to have after Monday night. For goal difference & confidence Would we have liked to score 4 home & away v Gibraltar of course.
The big tests of course are coming with Swiss X 2 , Danes at home & Georgia away. 3 months till next fixtures. Players will have had holidays, pre season, maybe move clubs, hit form, go out of form, be injured etc so I don't think Monday nights performance will have any bearing when we play Switzerland. It's a group of two halves almost and it's a bit like qualification form being different from tournament form. But with regards to a bit of historical perspective on past results against what some might view as lesser teams see below. We don't always play well or batter "weaker" sides by loads of goals in our group yet we can still qualify and go on to have a good tournament. |
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gufct
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didn’t meet anyone leaving the stadiums in Vienna or Cardiff complaining. We will know where we stand after the next three games and that is all that matters as well as 10 points on the board.
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pre Madonna
Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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Comparatively. It was obviously an improvement on the end of MON's tenure and even a few days before, but it wasn't anything more than an improvement.
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Roberto Baggio
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We played well against Georgia, but then again they're poor |
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Strazdas
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For sure, but we don't really have form for hammering the small teams, not for the last 10 years at least. That doesn't make us a bad side though.
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pre Madonna
Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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I think the concern is that we hardly ever play well. When was the last time we played well? Euro 2016?
I really don’t think we can get to 16 points playing badly and it is hard to have hope based solely on our resilience.
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Terzino
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The perspective is that we've been here before. Since the Charlton era there's been a doggedness about Ireland.
With good or bad teams we have maintained a competitive level of performance against better teams than us for decades, apart from a few odd occasions - the Staunton era and the end of O'Neill's reign. There's an accepted standard. Even if we don't have the best players, the internal culture of the team is one that they are expected to run themselves into the ground, defend like their lives depend on it, and keep going until the very end, because, no matter how a game has gone, we'll always get one chance to score. Even if it's in the 91st minute. Our team would never go to Hungary and lose, for example, And certainly not with the type of players that Wales have available to them. Our players are too bloody-minded for that to happen. And that's why games versus Gibraltar etc, will have little bearing on how we play against the likes of Switzerland or Denmark.
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The Tribesman
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In theory as a 5 team group goal difference could count, which would take into account The Gibraltar Scorelines!
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Strazdas
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100% : it seems to make no difference whether we beat a team like Gibraltar 1-0 or 7-0, it has zero impact on how we play against the bigger teams. People are reading way too much into the result / performance the other night.
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Drumcondra 69er
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No one is taking any stance that I can see. Just pointing out that we routinely struggle to put these teams to the sword yet generally beat them and it doesn't seem to impact on how we play against the bigger teams. I wish it wasn't that way and I don't know why it is but it's been like that for generations.
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kearney304
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For what it's worth we have to be a bit braver as well. We can't just beat the sh*te teams and hope the big teams f**k up.
We need to beat Denmark or Switzerland at home. Or at least take the game to them. I believe Mick will do this in September but it may not work. All I** want is for us to have a go and take a chance. Not put 10 behind the ball and pray we don't concede. If we have a go and don't qualify so be it. I've enough of the hit and hope and rubbish MON used to put us through: Home games v - Scotland - Serbia - Austria - Wales etc *** I'm saying I because last time I said we there was holy war.
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kearney304
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Enjoyed this post. A lot of bollocks gets spouted on here.
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Jimmy Raggatip
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probably about time we started putting these teams to the sword rather than taking the stance that things have always been a certain way
its not a big price that all the games between us, Denmark and Switzerland end in draws, and we'll be out on our arse probably we should be showing ambition and attacking verve not just settling for routine wins
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RogerMilla
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superdave thanks a million for that post finally i am getting on top of this thing..
i think our next game defines all. if we lose to swiss then we'll need snookers. if we draw then we can hope to go undefeated by setting up very tight away to swiss and georgia and then by drawing with denmark at home , the other results will then define what place we get . if we win the momentum will be huge and we are very close to qualifying indeed and the buzz will be back. massive game
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pre Madonna
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We are creating a little bit more, but I also feel we are giving up more chances than the last campaign. The Danes, while showing us far too much respect, particularly in the first half, they really started to open us up with one slight tactical change
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