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TD Maria Bailey (the lady who fell off a swing and is looking for €60,000 compensation) ran a 10km race, three weeks after her fall.
In a time of 54 minutes.
 
She has made an absolute bollix of herself bringing this to court.
 
 
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Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Originally posted by GB 1HughJarse GB 1HughJarse wrote:

Can anyone point me to an easy example of how PR STV works.
I used to think that all the No.1’s were counted, then all the ballot papers were put back in and all the No.2’s were counted, and so on.

They'll mix the ballot papers first before counting. 

Say you need 1000 to get elected and the first in the pool gets 1200 votes, they'll disregard the first 1000 and then distribute the #2s, if they're there, from the other 200. 

so some peoples votes are worth more than others and it relies on randomness. that doesn't seem right.

in above example (simplified) if FG got 1200 no 1's, and the 200 surplus has 200 GP no 2's, what about the 1000 ballots not selected that had IND as no 2, are they just disregarded
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Hermann Kelly (Farage's former CoS) on 0% in Dublin ClapClapClapClapClap

Edited by Denis Irwin - 25 May 2019 at 11:30am
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Local elections exit poll has Aontu on 1% and Renua on 0%

These are the parties that the right-wing media have been telling us for years that there was a serious gap in the market for

How out of touch can they can be

Very, is the answer

Lovely stuff

A lot of left transfers to go around in Dublin

I think it will be 
1 Cuffe
2 Fitzgerald 
3 Daly
4 Boylan
5 Andrews


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Originally posted by Il Principe Il Principe wrote:

Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Originally posted by GB 1HughJarse GB 1HughJarse wrote:

Can anyone point me to an easy example of how PR STV works.
I used to think that all the No.1’s were counted, then all the ballot papers were put back in and all the No.2’s were counted, and so on.

They'll mix the ballot papers first before counting. 

Say you need 1000 to get elected and the first in the pool gets 1200 votes, they'll disregard the first 1000 and then distribute the #2s, if they're there, from the other 200. 

so some peoples votes are worth more than others and it relies on randomness. that doesn't seem right.

in above example (simplified) if FG got 1200 no 1's, and the 200 surplus has 200 GP no 2's, what about the 1000 ballots not selected that had IND as no 2, are they just disregarded

Pretty much but the chance of mixing them and ending up like that are pretty much zero, should be broadly representative of the overall vote 
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Hopefully Andrews gets it. A full slate of europhiles.
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Hopefully Andrews gets it. A full slate of europhiles.
No thanks

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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Hopefully Andrews gets it. A full slate of europhiles.
Fianna Fail is Mayor Quimby.
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Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Hopefully Andrews gets it. A full slate of europhiles.
No thanks

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FF are with ALDE. Not a dinosaur grouping at all.
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Hopefully Andrews gets it. A full slate of europhiles.
No thanks

Fianna Fail and Fine Gael sit with climate dinosaurs in the European Parliament



FF are with ALDE. Not a dinosaur grouping at all.
Read Fintan O'Toole's article in last Saturday's Irish Times

They are
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Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Hopefully Andrews gets it. A full slate of europhiles.
No thanks

Fianna Fail and Fine Gael sit with climate dinosaurs in the European Parliament



FF are with ALDE. Not a dinosaur grouping at all.
Read Fintan O'Toole's article in last Saturday's Irish Times

They are

ALDE are not dinosaurs at all on the issue. I know that for a fact.
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Hopefully Andrews gets it. A full slate of europhiles.
No thanks

Fianna Fail and Fine Gael sit with climate dinosaurs in the European Parliament



FF are with ALDE. Not a dinosaur grouping at all.
Read Fintan O'Toole's article in last Saturday's Irish Times

They are

ALDE are not dinosaurs at all on the issue. I know that for a fact.

Some great bargains, never know what you'd find in that middle aisle 
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Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Originally posted by GB 1HughJarse GB 1HughJarse wrote:

Can anyone point me to an easy example of how PR STV works.
I used to think that all the No.1’s were counted, then all the ballot papers were put back in and all the No.2’s were counted, and so on.

They'll mix the ballot papers first before counting. 

Say you need 1000 to get elected and the first in the pool gets 1200 votes, they'll disregard the first 1000 and then distribute the #2s, if they're there, from the other 200. 

Doing the local count and got this wrong, the votes are distributed pro rata as a percentage of the preferences.

So if someone got 1000 votes and surplus was 100, everyone would get 10% of their second preference votes added.
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Some result for the Greens. Just looking at 2nd pref tallies and Mchugh doesn’t seem to be transfer friendly in the West and will be a close call in the South. I think O Sullivan will shade it - and hope so as have her backed!
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Interesting potential result in Dublin. There's a chance the final five could be:

Cuffe / FitzGerald / Andrews / Daly / Boylan

But this is interesting, because in that event, the four elected would be Cuffe, FitzGerald, Andrews and Daly, with Daly as the fourth, Brexit MEP.... despite the fact if it was a three seater, you'd expect Boylan's transfers to go disproportionately to Daly over Andrews, such that if it was a three seater, the result could be Cuffe, FitzGerald, Daly. I'm not sure they'll be that close but there is a chance that the way the electoral system works, that could be the result.

I'm not sure you can necessarily blame the Taoiseach for this or that it was designed to work in a way that favoured one party over the other; there were far too many moving parts and it seems it was designed to make the count easier rather than for any purpose nefarious.
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Good to see the 200 tonnes of paper used by canvassers from the Green Party came to good use Clap
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Originally posted by SuperDave84 SuperDave84 wrote:

I'm not sure you can necessarily blame the Taoiseach for this or that it was designed to work in a way that favoured one party over the other; there were far too many moving parts and it seems it was designed to make the count easier rather than for any purpose nefarious.
Politics if very scientific these days, they'd definitely have done the analysis and gone with the approach they thought gave them any advantage.
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what a f**ked up country we are for voting these green ****s! policies are absolute septic i.e carbon tax to increase from €10 per tonne to €30 per tonne etc etc. 20% of capital transport funding to go on cycling and walking. tell that to someone in rural ireland LOL

people have short memories also. wasn't even 10 years ago they f**ked this country up along with Fianna Scum and then all of a sudden all is forgiven. generation emigration my bollox 
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