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Originally posted by Gabrieléire Gabrieléire wrote:

Originally posted by eddiebro eddiebro wrote:

Anybody suggesting any of our second or third generation English born players wouldn’t be screaming god save the Queen if they were good enough are delusional. Cap Connell, he seems keen now, it’s within both our interest and his career now. The days of republican like loyalty are over, so outdated.

Are you sure? Callum O'Dowda, Aiden O'Brien, Ronan Curtis? 

Yea im with Gabrieleire on this . theirs plenty of players who wouldn't have a second thought about playing for anyone else. 
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Originally posted by Gabrieléire Gabrieléire wrote:

Originally posted by eddiebro eddiebro wrote:

Anybody suggesting any of our second or third generation English born players wouldn’t be screaming god save the Queen if they were good enough are delusional. Cap Connell, he seems keen now, it’s within both our interest and his career now. The days of republican like loyalty are over, so outdated.

Are you sure? Callum O'Dowda, Aiden O'Brien, Ronan Curtis? 

Yea im with Gabrieleire on this . theirs plenty of players who wouldn't have a second thought about playing for anyone else. 

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I can understand where people come from regarding some 2nd gen and 3rd, but to say all of them is ridiculous. Richard Keogh too is another one. 

Sean Maguire was born in Luton, anyone know how long he lived their for? I don't even consider him as a 2nd gen player for us. 
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He should be nowhere near a senior cap lads. Capping him for the sake of it isn't the way to go
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Cap him to put the discussion to bed or this thread will be lighting up like a Christmas tree until September Dead
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I would cap Connell against Gib. At the moment we are the only country to have given him a taste of international football so its entirely legitimate to secure him for the future. If he turns out to be good enough for England then we will have got ourselves a really good player. If he turns out not to be then he is losing nothing.  If he ends up not being good enough for Ireland either, he will at least have a cap.  

One way or the other we can’t go through another grealish or rice saga. 


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Originally posted by Ecumenical Matter Ecumenical Matter wrote:

I would cap Connell against Gib. At the moment we are the only country to have given him a taste of international football so its entirely legitimate to secure him for the future. If he turns out to be good enough for England then we will have got ourselves a really good player. If he turns out not to be then he is losing nothing.  If he ends up not being good enough for Ireland either, he will at least have a cap.  

One way or the other we can’t go through another grealish or rice saga. 

I have to agree with you. If Connell gets a big move during the summer, the speculation will gather pace that he might defect to England (irrespective of whether there is any truth in it).  The four competitive games in the autumn are going to be extremely challenging (Swiss at home, Georgia and Swiss away, and then the Danes at home).  There won't be much scope to cap him then. Why not take the pragmatic approach and cap him against Gibraltar and avoid the endless speculation that we endured in the cases of Grealish and Rice.
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Cap him end of.  Can't afford to keep losing these players . There will be no discussion after next week if we cap him . 
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Bring him on for Cullen / Whelan vs Gibraltar, last 15/20 mins when the game is put to bed imo
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Would be my way of looking at it.
Cap him in a game when the 3points are secured and safe
If he turns into a world beater great, if not, feck all lost
 
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With his locks Ithink he would be foolish to take a cap.
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Originally posted by ChesterCopperpot ChesterCopperpot wrote:

Would be my way of looking at it.
Cap him in a game when the 3points are secured and safe
If he turns into a world beater great, if not, feck all lost
 


Except watering down the meaning of a cap 
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Originally posted by Mikeire Mikeire wrote:

Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

Originally posted by ChesterCopperpot ChesterCopperpot wrote:

Would be my way of looking at it.
Cap him in a game when the 3points are secured and safe
If he turns into a world beater great, if not, feck all lost
 


Except watering down the meaning of a cap 

And what is the meaning of a cap Denis Irwin? 
The highest honour bestowed upon mortal man I suppose.

Every team has capped players once and then they disappear. 

A cap is a great achievement for a footballer and a chance to represent your country it’s not the holy grail 

Players should not be getting capped for the sake of it.
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Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

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Would be my way of looking at it.
Cap him in a game when the 3points are secured and safe
If he turns into a world beater great, if not, feck all lost
 


Except watering down the meaning of a cap 
I am not sure about that too much, I do think as fans we can get a bit precious about that. I just really don't like the idea of external factors deciding who is on the pitch for Ireland. 
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Originally posted by eddiebro eddiebro wrote:

Anybody suggesting any of our second or third generation English born players wouldn’t be screaming god save the Queen if they were good enough are delusional. Cap Connell, he seems keen now, it’s within both our interest and his career now. The days of republican like loyalty are over, so outdated.

That is it all in a nutshell. There are some people here who still think like this when in reality that stance is from a bygone era. Give Connell 5 mins against Gibraltar and we will have secured ourselves a decent player for the future. Strike while the iron is hot.
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Originally posted by grannyrule grannyrule wrote:

Originally posted by eddiebro eddiebro wrote:

Anybody suggesting any of our second or third generation English born players wouldn’t be screaming god save the Queen if they were good enough are delusional. Cap Connell, he seems keen now, it’s within both our interest and his career now. The days of republican like loyalty are over, so outdated.

That is it all in a nutshell. There are some people here who still think like this when in reality that stance is from a bygone era. Give Connell 5 mins against Gibraltar and we will have secured ourselves a decent player for the future. Strike while the iron is hot.
Bollocks, I would be surprised if anybody thought that. The arguments against it, or for it,  certainly aren't based on some sort of deluded nationalism. Unless I have missed something.
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Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

Originally posted by Mikeire Mikeire wrote:

Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

Originally posted by ChesterCopperpot ChesterCopperpot wrote:

Would be my way of looking at it.
Cap him in a game when the 3points are secured and safe
If he turns into a world beater great, if not, feck all lost
 


Except watering down the meaning of a cap 

And what is the meaning of a cap Denis Irwin? 
The highest honour bestowed upon mortal man I suppose.

Every team has capped players once and then they disappear. 

A cap is a great achievement for a footballer and a chance to represent your country it’s not the holy grail 

Players should not be getting capped for the sake of it.

Why? Either we get precious over handing out caps against the very bottom teams or we try and proactively cap players to ensure success down the line. I'd much prefer the latter. Worked for Wales and the likes of Ampadu etc haven't devalued their caps at all. 

This is a lad who had been playing at a decent level too. 
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Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

Originally posted by Mikeire Mikeire wrote:

Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

Originally posted by ChesterCopperpot ChesterCopperpot wrote:

Would be my way of looking at it.
Cap him in a game when the 3points are secured and safe
If he turns into a world beater great, if not, feck all lost
 


Except watering down the meaning of a cap 

And what is the meaning of a cap Denis Irwin? 
The highest honour bestowed upon mortal man I suppose.

Every team has capped players once and then they disappear. 

A cap is a great achievement for a footballer and a chance to represent your country it’s not the holy grail 

Players should not be getting capped for the sake of it.

Define "for the sake of it"?
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Originally posted by eddiebro eddiebro wrote:

Anybody suggesting any of our second or third generation English born players wouldn’t be screaming god save the Queen if they were good enough are delusional. Cap Connell, he seems keen now, it’s within both our interest and his career now. The days of republican like loyalty are over, so outdated.
This is the truth. That is why we may focus on Scottish/irish or welsh / irish or like the GK mcdemott from other places. THE RICE situation weaken US as a football NATION.
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