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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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'Socialists Catholics of Europe', I nearly choked on my f**king Hobnob.
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Denis Irwin
Robbie Keane Stay Home & watch Lethal Weapon Joined: 03 Feb 2008 Location: Ath Cliath Status: Online Points: 37950 |
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Ah stop ffs. Cap should be earned not just thrown out like confetti. (Joe Lapria)
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Lenny82
Liam Brady Joined: 20 Aug 2010 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 2914 |
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They have to be good enough. No guarantee that Connell, or any other young English born player, are going to develop in to top players.
Willo Flood and Sean Thornton showed loads of promise. Had they been English born and only bursting on the scene now, there'd be lads calling for them to starters.
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Luis Amor Rodriguez
Liam Brady Joined: 19 Sep 2016 Location: Harchester Status: Offline Points: 1663 |
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QUOTE - PM "I’m not sure what I am arguing against here as nearly all of that backs up my point! They are all very good footballers, that’s why they were capped. What Wales clearly have is a very good link between their youth and senior teams, something we need to address."
PM, Harry Wilson wasn't picked at 16 to play 25 seconds for Wales at the end of a meaningless qualifier "on merit". He was picked because he had the potential to one day (not in 2013 mind) be a fantastic senior footballer (which he now is). When he was 16, the height of his experience was the Liverpool kids side. And that wouldn't change for a few years. There were far better senior players "on merit" in Wales' squad. They capped him to tie him down and avoid the loss and palaver we have. The fact he only played for 25 seconds shows even the Welsh management weren't relying on him to do anything - they were just tying him. It's beyond obvious PM. Incidentally had Rice been capped against Moldova (as he should have been) or Grealish been capped in the 8-0 comedy cake-walk against Gibralter (as he should have been), I have no doubt they would have played their hearts out for us and not looked back. Rice is correct when he says that there is such thing as dual-heritage and those lads are proud of their Irish heritage. It's not a question of "their hearts not in it". It's just a new proposition came on the table that didn't exist before (i.e.: do you want to play for the WC semi-finalists who are also the country you were born in). Btw: we will beat Gibraltar comfortably in Dublin - it will be a very different game to the plastic-pitch airport wind-tunnel fiasco out there. These are the games to get your Rices, Grealishs and Keanes involved in so that we're not some kind of feeder team for England. Other than that, your point about having a better link between our junior and senior teams is well-made. Both MON and Trap suffered from failing to integrate fresh blood into the squad when given the opportunity. Personally, I think there should be up to three spots in the senior squads for developmental players - lads who mightn't be good enough right now, but will be soon. Good to see Mick do that with players like Kelleher and Connell, as he did over 20 years ago for a critical game in Bucharest with a fresh faced teenager who had yet to play senior football called Richard Dunne. Edited by Luis Amor Rodriguez - 28 May 2019 at 5:44pm |
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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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Firstly, and I can't emphasis this enough, the bit in bold needs stamping out. It's f**king ridiculous!! I think my own posting history attests to my knowledge of 'such thing' quite well. It isn't in doubt anywhere. It also doesn't change the fact that players have a choice to make. From an ideological point of view, and if I am honest that is my sole point of view, I don't agree with capping them to tie them down. It seems unjust and reflects badly on us and our own respect for our team. I understand that other people are less moralistic in these matters. Lets just say Wilson is an example that backs up your case, it doesn't change the fact that you are exaggerating Wales' policy to suit your argument that we should cap everybody who looks remotely capable. They may do it, but largely they have had some excellent players coming through, recent history of success in bringing young players through together and a lack of depth that makes it easier to do so. You also have no idea of how the players themselves feel now about their decisions, or would have if they stayed, despite claiming to understand 'dual-heritage', nobody has.It would be the same if they remained with us. It will be as unique to them as my view of Irishness is to me or yours is to you. It is also liable to change, my view of Ireland and Irishness is different from when I was 25 and that is different from when I was 25. You have no idea if Rice would or wouldn't have regretted playing for us in five years time. All we can do is surmise. I do think it is fair to say that if Rice continued with us he would have given his all, but what would his thoughts be if he continued to develop into a top player and England won the next World Cup? I also think I was one of the few people on here who understood and respected his decision(not looking for f**king kudos or anything there, merely saying) and pointed out it wasn't contradictory for him to care about playing for us and then choosing England. I think players should be allowed make the decision themselves without having their heads turned when they are barely old enough to vote. We will lose some, we will gain more, but it would reflect far better on us as a footballing nation. If the players have shown the potential and ability they should be picked on those two requirements only.
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Not sure Cullen is good enough to get an English cap and he’s already 23. Not sure I’m worried about him. I’d cap Connell though just in case.
With the whole Rice fiasco, it does make you think about what if the team beat Denmark at the Aviva and went to Russia. Rice is probably an Ireland player if that happened.
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Banjaxed
Liam Brady Joined: 21 Feb 2014 Status: Offline Points: 2964 |
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If Rice gets capped, I'd bet my house Luca does not get picked for the Portugal camp. He then continues his fine form post Bolton and gets called up by England and goes on to be the greatest sitting midfielder of a generation. It's all if and buts.
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To all the Irish football masterminds here...if England Germany Scotland Portugal la France LA Suisse belgium Spain (remember bojan Bosnian) are doing so . why wouldn't little old Éire? I was against it but then I grew up with the FREAKISH GREALISH/RAW RICE 🍚 SAGA. wounded twice!I remember when the Great magic Liam Brady was moving to Italy Juventus from Arsenal and the chairman said to Liam" r u ready to go to a different hostile country a living abroad ?" And Liam replied something like " sir I'm already in a hostile foreign country!"...thats how patronizing the English are on behalf of you...and me too
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BrendanD88
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May as well start him against Denmark, many on here have stated we have next to no chance of qualifying via the group anyway! Nothing to lose.
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Mr. Snrub
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FREAKISH GREALISH/RAW RICE
I nearly spat out my dinner
Edited by Mr. Snrub - 28 May 2019 at 8:21pm |
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"Here's Robbie Keane...... yeeeessss! That is no more than Ireland deserve!"
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The O'Shea
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He's heading to Dublin anyway according to his social media, so you'd imagine that means he'll be in the 23.
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We're decent enough..
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mully_85
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i actually think Mick is playing this one very well, not making a fuss about it but will end up capping him. the way it should be done really
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McG
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straight from the brian clough school of management |
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Kevin Kilbane Joined: 16 Jan 2019 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 220 |
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Anybody suggesting any of our second or third generation English born players wouldn’t be screaming god save the Queen if they were good enough are delusional. Cap Connell, he seems keen now, it’s within both our interest and his career now. The days of republican like loyalty are over, so outdated.
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Are you sure? Callum O'Dowda, Aiden O'Brien, Ronan Curtis?
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