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Originally posted by Howdo Howdo wrote:

So McCarthy picks Connell, even though he has never seen him play, other than videos and hearsay, and picks him.

He goes to see Crowley play, albeit for about 15 minutes, and who is playing at a higher level, and doesn't pick him stating he needs to see more of him.

Then states there's no ulterior motive to picking Connell, hmmm
Honestly i'd say its debatable whether the Eredivisie is stronger than the championship. It's a really weak league beyond the big sides. I agree with your general point though. Would have been no harm at all to include Crowley for the training camp - you would think he's the type of player to stand out in that setting and possibly force his way into the team.
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Originally posted by giveittochristie giveittochristie wrote:

Originally posted by Howdo Howdo wrote:

So McCarthy picks Connell, even though he has never seen him play, other than videos and hearsay, and picks him.

He goes to see Crowley play, albeit for about 15 minutes, and who is playing at a higher level, and doesn't pick him stating he needs to see more of him.

Then states there's no ulterior motive to picking Connell, hmmm

Honestly i'd say its debatable whether the Eredivisie is stronger than the championship. It's a really weak league beyond the big sides. I agree with your general point though. Would have been no harm at all to include Crowley for the training camp - you would think he's the type of player to stand out in that setting and possibly force his way into the team.


You're probably right about the Dutch league, but it's fairly obvious to everyone why he's been called up. And to be honest I've absolutely no issue with it, in fact if that's the reason he has, then, well done Mick
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Originally posted by Howdo Howdo wrote:

Originally posted by giveittochristie giveittochristie wrote:

Originally posted by Howdo Howdo wrote:

So McCarthy picks Connell, even though he has never seen him play, other than videos and hearsay, and picks him.

He goes to see Crowley play, albeit for about 15 minutes, and who is playing at a higher level, and doesn't pick him stating he needs to see more of him.

Then states there's no ulterior motive to picking Connell, hmmm

Honestly i'd say its debatable whether the Eredivisie is stronger than the championship. It's a really weak league beyond the big sides. I agree with your general point though. Would have been no harm at all to include Crowley for the training camp - you would think he's the type of player to stand out in that setting and possibly force his way into the team.


You're probably right about the Dutch league, but it's fairly obvious to everyone why he's been called up. And to be honest I've absolutely no issue with it, in fact if that's the reason he has, then, well done Mick

Crowley's paperwork still isn't through in any case. No idea what the delay is. 
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Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by Howdo Howdo wrote:

Originally posted by giveittochristie giveittochristie wrote:

Originally posted by Howdo Howdo wrote:

So McCarthy picks Connell, even though he has never seen him play, other than videos and hearsay, and picks him.

He goes to see Crowley play, albeit for about 15 minutes, and who is playing at a higher level, and doesn't pick him stating he needs to see more of him.

Then states there's no ulterior motive to picking Connell, hmmm

Honestly i'd say its debatable whether the Eredivisie is stronger than the championship. It's a really weak league beyond the big sides. I agree with your general point though. Would have been no harm at all to include Crowley for the training camp - you would think he's the type of player to stand out in that setting and possibly force his way into the team.


You're probably right about the Dutch league, but it's fairly obvious to everyone why he's been called up. And to be honest I've absolutely no issue with it, in fact if that's the reason he has, then, well done Mick

Crowley's paperwork still isn't through in any case. No idea what the delay is. 

Farcical that England could get Rice's paperwork through in weeks but it takes this long for us. I wonder is this also the case for Ryan Johansson?
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Originally posted by giveittochristie giveittochristie wrote:

Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by Howdo Howdo wrote:

Originally posted by giveittochristie giveittochristie wrote:

Originally posted by Howdo Howdo wrote:

So McCarthy picks Connell, even though he has never seen him play, other than videos and hearsay, and picks him.

He goes to see Crowley play, albeit for about 15 minutes, and who is playing at a higher level, and doesn't pick him stating he needs to see more of him.

Then states there's no ulterior motive to picking Connell, hmmm

Honestly i'd say its debatable whether the Eredivisie is stronger than the championship. It's a really weak league beyond the big sides. I agree with your general point though. Would have been no harm at all to include Crowley for the training camp - you would think he's the type of player to stand out in that setting and possibly force his way into the team.


You're probably right about the Dutch league, but it's fairly obvious to everyone why he's been called up. And to be honest I've absolutely no issue with it, in fact if that's the reason he has, then, well done Mick

Crowley's paperwork still isn't through in any case. No idea what the delay is. 

Farcical that England could get Rice's paperwork through in weeks but it takes this long for us. I wonder is this also the case for Ryan Johansson?

I reckon Rice's paperwork was submitted long before we were made aware of it. 
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I imagine Mick 'asked around' about Crowley and probably heard very negative things - a big performance was needed from him in the final for Mick to pick him.
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Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by giveittochristie giveittochristie wrote:

Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by Howdo Howdo wrote:

Originally posted by giveittochristie giveittochristie wrote:

Originally posted by Howdo Howdo wrote:

So McCarthy picks Connell, even though he has never seen him play, other than videos and hearsay, and picks him.

He goes to see Crowley play, albeit for about 15 minutes, and who is playing at a higher level, and doesn't pick him stating he needs to see more of him.

Then states there's no ulterior motive to picking Connell, hmmm

Honestly i'd say its debatable whether the Eredivisie is stronger than the championship. It's a really weak league beyond the big sides. I agree with your general point though. Would have been no harm at all to include Crowley for the training camp - you would think he's the type of player to stand out in that setting and possibly force his way into the team.


You're probably right about the Dutch league, but it's fairly obvious to everyone why he's been called up. And to be honest I've absolutely no issue with it, in fact if that's the reason he has, then, well done Mick

Crowley's paperwork still isn't through in any case. No idea what the delay is. 

Farcical that England could get Rice's paperwork through in weeks but it takes this long for us. I wonder is this also the case for Ryan Johansson?

I reckon Rice's paperwork was submitted long before we were made aware of it. 

No, I don't think it was. As far as I remember, FIFA have tried to speed up the process, so that combined with the English FA putting the squeeze on, and the subservient sheep at the FAI being ultra-cooperative, got the deal through in record time. As I said then, there was zero chance the English would be as facilitating to us, and that seems to have been the case.
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How do people know McCarthy or someone on his scouting team didn't watch Luca Connell?
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Originally posted by Joe Stalin Joe Stalin wrote:

But the journo's are all there with them from what I can see. and the public inter-action can be well controlled. You're probably right re. the players alright. 

Just seems a missed opportunity not to use your biggest asset and try and bridge some of the disconnect between the team and Irish public 

What disconnect? What issues do we have with the team at the moment? 
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Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

How do people know McCarthy or someone on his scouting team didn't watch Luca Connell?


McCarthy stated yesterday that he’s never seen him play other than videos and what’s he’s heard back

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Originally posted by houghton88 houghton88 wrote:

Originally posted by Joe Stalin Joe Stalin wrote:

But the journo's are all there with them from what I can see. and the public inter-action can be well controlled. You're probably right re. the players alright. 

Just seems a missed opportunity not to use your biggest asset and try and bridge some of the disconnect between the team and Irish public 

What disconnect? What issues do we have with the team at the moment? 

It's not the teams job to try and restore positive public perception in relation to the FAI, and nor should it be.

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Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

I reckon Rice's paperwork was submitted long before we were made aware of it. 
 
Agreed. And to be honest drawing any other conclusion is simply illogical.
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Going by this, it was submitted around January and processed in March: https://mobile.twitter.com/OCowzer/status/1102907387139231753
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Originally posted by johnvonp johnvonp wrote:

I imagine Mick 'asked around' about Crowley and probably heard very negative things - a big performance was needed from him in the final for Mick to pick him.

A lot of managers just don't like to feel as if they're being told what to do (ie O'Neill with Doherty/Christie, when the pressure to play Doherty became too great he only did so with Christie also shoehorned into the team...). It's effectively just about maintaining a sense of control. Perhaps Mick also feels like he's being pushed by the media to pick Crowley, so he's being more resistant to the idea. Whereas with Connell, there hasn't been the same general clamour, so it feels like a more independent decision to Mick to pick him.
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The way Rice situation was handled was a circus. And has damaged the image of the Republic of Ireland as a football nation, because for most of the ordinary viewers the broadcasters said "Irish footballer declared for England" for most football-wise people the corruption in Fai Offices is something known around the football body.

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So if Mick took the game up with this kid, kudos to Mick. I keep on saying that Mon-Roy were very ethical about it and it was Rice and his agent and Davy Gold decision. in this scenario we must cap youngsters in dead rubbers or as the American say will be strike 3. (GREALISH-RICE-)
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