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Originally posted by The Huntacha The Huntacha wrote:

Compare his international performances to any of our midfielders over the last 5 years and you'll get the point.

He would have been sh!te in our team too. I firmly believe the profound affect MON had on (poor) player performance will come to light in Mick's tenure.



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Originally posted by The Huntacha The Huntacha wrote:

Compare his international performances to any of our midfielders over the last 5 years and you'll get the point.

Hard to influence a game when the ball is flying over your head the majority of the game.
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I hope I'm wrong but I think we will see plenty of direct football under mick also
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Originally posted by Fruice Fruice wrote:

I hope I'm wrong but I think we will see plenty of direct football under mick also

Also? MON never played direct. There was never a cohesive plan or style.
 
Nothing wrong with playing direct given players available. Difference being Mick will have the players drilled to fook. Everyone knowing their place in the team and how best to optimise a direct style of play.
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Anybody know when the final 23 man squad for Gib will be confirmed ?
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Anybody know when the final 23 man squad for Gib will be confirmed ?
I am assuming the day before they travel to Rockland
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Next Sunday. I read the squad will be announced before the FAI awards.
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Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

Next Sunday. I read the squad will be announced before the FAI awards.
Deccy will hardly turn up to collect his player of the year award? 
Maybe he'll send us a live Insta post. It'd be some craic if he does it in an three lions shirt, but that would be rubbing it in and he's a decent guy, so I doubt it.
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Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Originally posted by The Huntacha The Huntacha wrote:

No problem with the lower level call ups as Mick hasn't had the luxury of end of season training camps, etc so will want to have a look at everyone. From looking at the provisional squad, it's quite obvious who will be cut from it. The remaining players just indicate the level we are at now. Hopefully, Mick will have them playing slightly better (he won't work miracles), and instill some belief in the players again.

People talking about NI's style of play. We don't have any one like Davis to make us tick, as PM has stated a few times. And I think it should be considered that despite their new attractive way of playing, they haven't had any success with it, albeit they were hard done by in the play-off.


The guy who can't a game ahead of Arfield, Jack and Kamara?
His legs have gone, which will have a huge impact on them. We have been crying out for a similar player for a long time though. We haven't a single midfielder who is confident on the ball or that can stamp their personality on the game.
It is why Rice would have made such a difference. 
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Originally posted by The Huntacha The Huntacha wrote:

No problem with the lower level call ups as Mick hasn't had the luxury of end of season training camps, etc so will want to have a look at everyone. From looking at the provisional squad, it's quite obvious who will be cut from it. The remaining players just indicate the level we are at now. Hopefully, Mick will have them playing slightly better (he won't work miracles), and instill some belief in the players again.

People talking about NI's style of play. We don't have any one like Davis to make us tick, as PM has stated a few times. And I think it should be considered that despite their new attractive way of playing, they haven't had any success with it, albeit they were hard done by in the play-off.


The guy who can't a game ahead of Arfield, Jack and Kamara?
His legs have gone, which will have a huge impact on them. We have been crying out for a similar player for a long time though. We haven't a single midfielder who is confident on the ball or that can stamp their personality on the game.
It is why Rice would have made such a difference. 

We had Wes Hoolahan - unfortunately he wasn't picked as often as he should have, anyway as mentioned on here before Davis would have been a non factor in our previous regime due to our style.


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Originally posted by 10 Box 10 Box wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Originally posted by The Huntacha The Huntacha wrote:

No problem with the lower level call ups as Mick hasn't had the luxury of end of season training camps, etc so will want to have a look at everyone. From looking at the provisional squad, it's quite obvious who will be cut from it. The remaining players just indicate the level we are at now. Hopefully, Mick will have them playing slightly better (he won't work miracles), and instill some belief in the players again.

People talking about NI's style of play. We don't have any one like Davis to make us tick, as PM has stated a few times. And I think it should be considered that despite their new attractive way of playing, they haven't had any success with it, albeit they were hard done by in the play-off.


The guy who can't a game ahead of Arfield, Jack and Kamara?
His legs have gone, which will have a huge impact on them. We have been crying out for a similar player for a long time though. We haven't a single midfielder who is confident on the ball or that can stamp their personality on the game.
It is why Rice would have made such a difference. 

We had Wes Hoolahan - unfortunately he wasn't picked as often as he should have, anyway as mentioned on here before Davis would have been a non factor in our previous regime due to our style.


We can't say that for sure. If you don't have a player like that you by-pass the midfield, I fully expect to be bypassed in this campaign too.

I am not going to reopen the debate on Wes, my thoughts on him are clear enough on him, but he was a different type of player to Davis.
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by 10 Box 10 Box wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Originally posted by The Huntacha The Huntacha wrote:

No problem with the lower level call ups as Mick hasn't had the luxury of end of season training camps, etc so will want to have a look at everyone. From looking at the provisional squad, it's quite obvious who will be cut from it. The remaining players just indicate the level we are at now. Hopefully, Mick will have them playing slightly better (he won't work miracles), and instill some belief in the players again.

People talking about NI's style of play. We don't have any one like Davis to make us tick, as PM has stated a few times. And I think it should be considered that despite their new attractive way of playing, they haven't had any success with it, albeit they were hard done by in the play-off.


The guy who can't a game ahead of Arfield, Jack and Kamara?
His legs have gone, which will have a huge impact on them. We have been crying out for a similar player for a long time though. We haven't a single midfielder who is confident on the ball or that can stamp their personality on the game.
It is why Rice would have made such a difference. 

We had Wes Hoolahan - unfortunately he wasn't picked as often as he should have, anyway as mentioned on here before Davis would have been a non factor in our previous regime due to our style.


We can't say that for sure. If you don't have a player like that you by-pass the midfield, I fully expect to be bypassed in this campaign too.

I am not going to reopen the debate on Wes, my thoughts on him are clear enough on him, but he was a different type of player to Davis.

No one needs that but I have no doubt Wes could have influenced our play the same way Davis did for them, unfortunately he was not given enough opportunities to do so
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Davis is a better player than Wes
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Davis is a better player than Wes

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Originally posted by Fruice Fruice wrote:

Davis is a better player than Wes
In fairness, Wes was a different type of player. Davis is a more complete midfielder, or was, I think that's the end of him. He was an unassuming player who was incredibly effective and consistent. I was always amazed by how calm he was on the ball and got sl*gged for saying so on here, but he was exactly what we needed for years and we still do. He is like James McCarthy without the injuries and the fear of going missing, or Glenn Whelan with natural fitness and drive!

Wes was a creative midfielder and little else. He certainly worked hard off the ball, something he wasn't given enough credit for, but he was still a bit of a luxury as he gave the ball away a lot. He probably should have been used more at times, but those who championed him seemed completely dismissive of the risk he brought to the team and not always a reward. He often tried passes that just weren't on and in the most dangerous of places. He was great to watch as a neutral but had my anxiety through the roof on several occasions. Dunphy getting on board saw him becoming the new Liam Brady, while simultaneously Glenn Whelan was made out to be some sort of impostor.
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I often have to stop and think when I hear this notion that Wes gave the ball away. The only match I can recall of him so loose in possession was Austria away in 2016. The team should have been built around him for a decade. Underrated
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Originally posted by Mr. Snrub Mr. Snrub wrote:

I often have to stop and think when I hear this notion that Wes gave the ball away. The only match I can recall of him so loose in possession was Austria away in 2016. The team should have been built around him for a decade. Underrated
It wasn't so much the regularity with which he gave it away, but the areas and times he gave it away. He was a disaster for trying unnecessarily risky passes at the wrong times and places. He certainly had ability, nobody is disputing that, but he must be the most overrated player to play for Ireland,with the possible exception of Duff who was average for huge chunks of his Irish career. The difference with Wes was the less he played the better he got.
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Mr. Snrub Mr. Snrub wrote:

I often have to stop and think when I hear this notion that Wes gave the ball away. The only match I can recall of him so loose in possession was Austria away in 2016. The team should have been built around him for a decade. Underrated
It wasn't so much the regularity with which he gave it away, but the areas and times he gave it away. He was a disaster for trying unnecessarily risky passes at the wrong times and places. He certainly had ability, nobody is disputing that, but he must be the most overrated player to play for Ireland,with the possible exception of Duff who was average for huge chunks of his Irish career. The difference with Wes was the less he played the better he got.

In that one match! He was excellent the previous campaign, especially at home to Ze Germans. He should be on the €20 note
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