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JoxerDaly
Liam Brady Joined: 03 Apr 2018 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 1275 |
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Good squad. Surprised no Jamie Bowden but otherwise happy with that.
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Fozz
Liam Brady Joined: 08 Oct 2019 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 2249 |
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Here's the squad for the training camp and Wales friendly next week:
Odubeko is a big plus and is now back in the fold after a lone while away for injures etc. Excited to see Flynn, Richards, Noss, Watson etc.
Great attacking options in Wright, Kayode, aforementioned Odubeko and then Ferry and Kilkenny too. No Connell tho. |
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Fozz
Liam Brady Joined: 08 Oct 2019 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 2249 |
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https://www.fai.ie/ireland/news/ireland-u21-qualifying-fixtures-confirmed
No competitive match until September.
Hoping for a friendly in the March window and also entry into the Toulon Tournament, which would be fantastic. |
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Frabhoy
Kevin Kilbane Joined: 13 Oct 2019 Location: Ballycastle Status: Offline Points: 222 |
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The FAI put on their news story the players still available.
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horsebox
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John Giles is one I'd say.
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Fozz
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Go back a page for who is still eligible, if that helps.
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Englishborn
Kevin Kilbane Britishborn Joined: 08 Nov 2019 Location: England Status: Online Points: 191 |
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Outside of France, very few if any country has more than 1 or 2 elite players now. Portugal only have ronaldo. Spain dont have any. Germany have none. Italy certainly don't. Belgium have de bruyne. England have kane. Brazil with neymar and Argentina with messi. Also Poland have lewondovski. England have alot of potential future elite players if things go right. Trent sancho grealish etc
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Banjaxed
Liam Brady Joined: 21 Feb 2014 Status: Offline Points: 2965 |
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What players are now overage for.the under 21's?
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kevin100
Ray Houghton Joined: 01 Jul 2020 Location: Mallow Status: Offline Points: 3392 |
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There’s top notch and there’s elite elite. I’m a Man Utd fan but I wouldn’t regard Giggs as elite as in top 5 in his position. Bale at his best was Top 5 in a position that included Ronaldo Messi Neymar. That’s elite. Keane the same Top 5 midfielders on planet football this is in the Zidane Rivaldo Figo Vieraetc era. World class fair enough. You could argue Duff was close to it at his best. Many will tell you Irwin,McGrath were too. Both countries have been blessed with some fabulous players when you think about it. Edited by kevin100 - 29 Jan 2021 at 11:22am |
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kevin100
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I think the 2 keepers Kelleher and Bazunu are the most likely of this crop to become world class players with Collins next. There potential to become top keepers is enormous. Roy Keanes and Gareth Bales are very hard to find. Ferguson and Zefi get an awful lot of hype too. I don’t recall the hype being as strong with Parrott even would anyone be able to confirm that?
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avfc
Kevin Kilbane Joined: 27 Aug 2018 Location: Munster Status: Offline Points: 492 |
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yes. Oddly, Wales seem to produce amazing amounts of world class talent down through the years, Giggs, Rush and Big Nev were all WORLD CLASS. Hughes, Saundres and Speed were top notch also.
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kevin100
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No I do get avfcs point he’s right to address it. Kelleher Bazunu and Collins are the 3 I’d have down as most likely to play for what you’d call Top 6 or even Leicester or Everton teams challenging the Top 6 monopoly in the near future but that could change too. Who would say 3 years ago Doherty would be playing for a Top 6 club.
When’s the last time Wales produced a player like Bale? Same as us with Roy Keane players like that you don’t produce once every 30 years they are rare. Elite level players. Even England only produce players like that every now and then like Rooney let’s say. I wouldn’t regard Kane as that good yet. What we do need is a Pukki or Mitrovic type goalscorer. Both players have proven themselves to be bottom half PL clubs at best players but goalscoring is still 2nd to none. Healy for the North another lad. Glenn Murray a good English example of the sort of player if Ireland had I think would have scored plenty. Edited by kevin100 - 29 Jan 2021 at 11:09am |
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avfc
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My point is more on what parts of the pitch are we producing genuine top talent. Keepers, back 4 and defensive midfielders we will always be fairly ok. The midfielders coming through are more Matt Holland/Carsley/Kinsella level. It's the top end of the field that we are struggling. Is there a Brady/Sheedy or a Robbie/Stapleton/Aldo coming through? I don't see it. |
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Left foot
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Little unfair that. Even England would struggle to select all their players from the top 6 clubs in the English Premier league.
The epl is probably the highest standard of football in the world, I know Spain has Madrid and Barcelona but the strength in depth is not as strong as the epl. I think connolly, knight, smallbone, molumby, collins, oshea and more besides will establish themselves as regular premier league players. On one point I do agree is will we get the world class player, the Gareth Bale, Harry Kane types.... The last world class player we had was Roy Keane... maybe we're due one soon.
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avfc
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All very positive. But is there any potential world class attacking talent coming through? Is there a potential Liam Brady in that bunch? My sense is that is that the majority of that bunch will play Championship/bottom 10 EPL level (as per current standards). The ones with the potential (thus far) to make it with top6 teams are primarily defensive players. |
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kevin100
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If you look at it practically of that Toulon tournament crop let’s call them. We have 3 that are regulars/semi regulars in PL squads O’Shea Connolly and Kelleher already. They have established themselves in those squads although Kelleher hasn’t played many games he’s now clear 2nd choice. Obafemi broke into the Southampton team didn’t go to plan but was destined for a loan to Swansea before an injury. Knight already looks destined for top flight football in the next 18-20 months at least with Collins almost certainly following him in fact I’d be astonished if Collins didn’t follow him. That’s 6 players born in 1999,2000,2001 that broke or will potentially break through/play at PL clubs by the age of 21. Smallbone I’m almost sure would be firmly a regular in Southampton’s 18 if injury didn’t jinx him also. Had we 6 players prior to 2019/2020 that broke through/established themselves in PL 18s let’s say by the age of 21 in the previous decade for context I’m badly struggling to think of 3. Molumby while he hasn’t yet already looks comfortable in the Championship and I’m confident he will play PL football too and you can throw Idah into this too getting minutes off the bench at Norwich prior to injury and he competing with as good a set of strikers as any club the Championship for one starting spot nearly. On top of that there is an awful lot of other lads playing in the Championship,League 1, League 2 and Scotland even from this age bracket. McNamara at Millwall a prime example of one flying up the ranks already. Even 3 or 4 of the dozens in this age bracket did like Egan Doherty Robinson Stevens Duffy Randolph lets say and developed into top flight calibre footballers later on in their careers thats better again. It’s really when you put it in isolation it’s not too shabby at all. If the 2002,2003,2004 generations and so on could start producing close to as much talent as the above then you really are looking at building a decent team in the next 5/6 years.
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DeclanDaly
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I think this is a really key point in terms of the long term project we are just starting. We actually have pipeline now and a system that is producing talent regularly. I think we are guilty of looking at the senior team as the only indicator of our status, but there are a lot of things moving in the right direction. Looking forward to having the best of several age groups lining out for us
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kevin100
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There are plenty options. The crop of U21s in the Toulon tournament/last campaign they were very promising but it’s great to see that wasn’t a flash in the pan and the talent following up behind is as vast.
It will take 4/5 years to really see the benefits of this get but hopefully with time we really will.
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