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9fingers 
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Banjaxed
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You see if this was Eddie Howe or something and games had gone exactly the same way, the narrative would now be... He's starting to make his mark... The Eddie Howe effect is now in full swing. But it's Stephen Kenny. Be easier if some people just admit that they (for whatever reason) don't want Kenny in the job.
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Denis Irwin
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f**k me
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Heimatklange
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Posted: 11 Nov 2021 at 10:35pm |
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give the man a dam contract already. how long since we played a world class team and gave them a run for their money like that?
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zizu Kilbane
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Posted: 11 Nov 2021 at 10:38pm |
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It will take a heavy defeat on Sunday for the conversation of Kenny being sacked to even come up again. This team is going places.
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"Sometimes, sh*t happens, someone's gotta deal with it, and who ya gonna call?"
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You Tell Me
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Posted: 11 Nov 2021 at 10:39pm |
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Sunday is a huge game for him. Barring an absolute disaster he'll get another campaign now, but a good win on Sunday would get the monkey of the awful home defeat against them off his back and send him into the next campaign with a bit of momentum.
A draw would leave questions and doubt in that he had two goes at Luxembourg and couldn't beat them either time. A second defeat to them would raise massive questions about whether we are actually seeing any real progression in terms of results even if the style of football is a bit better to watch. My own view is that we should be beating them on Sunday and I think we will. But things like the subs he made today still give me the fear in terms of his judgement at times. How he could think, based on what we've seen in the last year, that McClean and Hourihane were the subs we needed in that situation is honestly beyond me. The other one seemed off as well, no problem.with Idah coming on, but taking out one of our central midfielders to get him on was a mistake and we lost control of the midfield from there up until the sending off as a result.
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colemanY2K
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Posted: 11 Nov 2021 at 10:42pm |
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Sacking him in June would be too late. He either is given an extension now or be relieved of his position so as to give the new manager the best possible opportunity at qualifying for the euros.
If he manages to avoid complete disaster on Sunday I'd give him a new contract.
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You Tell Me
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In fairness if it was Eddie Howe in charge of the results we have had since Kenny came in the same fans and journos that are backing Kenny at every opportunity (the Dan McDonnells etc.) would absolutely be on Howe's back and trying to hound him out of the job, as they did with others in the past.
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How people can’t see a build and progress is beyond me. Sure, we didn’t get close to the WC. However, the rebuilding job that has been done has been good, and since June this has not been to the detriment of results (apart perhaps from Azerbaijan at home). The draws against Portugal and Serbia would have been deemed acceptable under previous regimes, and the big win against Azerbaijan means that being scared of inferior opposition is now off the table.
He also virtually has his hands tied behind his back in terms of forwards. Credit to Robinson in particular, and to Ogbene, but he has no Robbie Keane, no Jon Walters, no Niall Quinn, no David Connolly, no Kevin Doyle, no David McGoldrick. Lenihan is doing very well in the championship, as is Dunne at QPR. Neither are in the squad. If either were forwards, performing to the same level, they’d be automatic selections over the likes of Keane, while the likes of Idah and Parrott would be plying their trade in the 21s. Some perspective is needed in terms of what Kenny is now achieving, what he is achieving it with, and who against.
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50%lesssugar&salt
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Their agents did an excellent job and cost the FAI millions. Their time was up and should never have been offered those final contracts. The Kenny situation is different in that he is unlikely to be getting a big offer elsewhere as you say but also, he is far from finished. Don't think it is necessary from a business point of view to be deciding on his contract yet. It shouldn't be a topic for conversation/consideration but poor precedents were set.
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9fingers
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Posted: 11 Nov 2021 at 11:14pm |
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Good post
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 I've said it before but for me the biggest difference between when Kenny took over in the NL / beginning of this campaign was an out of sorts Duffy and the unavailability of Robinson. If we were to lose both between now and Sunday through injury, the team will be as flat as in the defeat to Luxembourg and draw to Azerbaijan. Duffy, Egan and Robinson are soul source of our goals. We've enough players at the back to plug a leaky defense but if you lose 2/3 of the above we're goosed in attacking threat. |
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Too black & white a way to look at it. Context matters. We've been missing an enormous amount of players over the last year (due to massive injury lists & Covid, McGoldrick retiring...), while trying to rebuild the squad in the middle of a pandemic. That context, coupled with [eventual] clear progress buys Kenny more time in my book.
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John Nice
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Posted: 11 Nov 2021 at 11:28pm |
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Suffice to say, anyone who doesn't see progress has the blinkers on!
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Idah Dream!
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John Nice
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What a load of bollocks!
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Idah Dream!
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Banjaxed
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Exactly. And progress with the weakest set of players in 40 years. What do the naysayers expect? Instant success with by and large average players? |
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zizu Kilbane
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Posted: 11 Nov 2021 at 11:36pm |
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A lot of chatter about the subs but our bench and squad is limited. The best 2 players in the bench were Collins and Kelleher and they weren’t coming on baring an injury
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