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One of the key positives for me is that Kenny has now evolved the side, while also moving towards settling it. Obviously, there are a few issues that have made it more difficult, including O’Shea’s injury. But since Luxembourg, he has avoided playing fantasy football, trusted the players on the pitch, and has introduced fresh blood into the team.

The lowest ebb was when we went a goal down to Andorra, but since then it has been controlled, measured and sensible development. And if we can build on the last five months there is good reason not to depart from the current management team.
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Does anyone know why Emmett Malone is no longer the football correspondent for the Irish Times, everything seems to be coming from Gavin Cummiskey? This guy is SK's PR agent!

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Originally posted by TooOldForThis TooOldForThis wrote:

Does anyone know why Emmett Malone is no longer the football correspondent for the Irish Times, everything seems to be coming from Gavin Cummiskey? This guy is SK's PR agent!

Think he just got a new job!
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To look at this through clear eyes , it's hard to guess what the FAI will do .
 
Without doubt there has been an up turn on the pitch since the 68th minute in Andorra something like that .
The Fans are on his side make no bones about it  82% want him to stay on here for the Euro's .
 
On the other hand you can say he has failed to get us to the Euro's 2020 , now yes one game but whatever,  the NL league games were very poor and the World Cup Quals were over with 3 games to go and to be honest they were gone after the first 2 games , hey if we held on in Faro it all could have been so different .
 
So after the game in Lux the borad will sit down and then decide i would guess .
 
It's just how they look at it which is the question the whole time he has been in charge has not been anywhere near good enough , but the last couple of games everything has fallen into place .
 
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Everyone at the game on Tuesday is fully behind Kenny and we have been good to watch since the summer. When is the last time we sold out a friendly? Kenny is the right man for the job and better days will come.

The thoughts of sacking Kenny and going back to route one bogball is going to undo all the hard work over the past 18 months. Rome wasn't built in a day and there are so many clear signs of progression.


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Originally posted by Mr. Snrub Mr. Snrub wrote:

Everyone at the game on Tuesday is fully behind Kenny and we have been good to watch since the summer. When is the last time we sold out a friendly? Kenny is the right man for the job and better days will come.

The thoughts of sacking Kenny and going back to route one bogball is going to undo all the hard work over the past 18 months. Rome wasn't built in a day and there are so many clear signs of progression.


There were boo's after the game against Azerbaijan - a game we certainly weren't good to watch in. A few days later Serbia should have put 4 or 5 past us, not great to watch either. I was pleased with the Serbia result but why do people continually need to rewrite history with Kenny?

As for the progression - sure the last two games have been very good, but have there been 'so many clear signs of progression'? Is two games enough to point to and say that everything is finally coming to fruition?

If Portugal put a few goals past us and we lose to Luxembourg after, nobody is going to give two sh*ts about a friendly v Qatar. The conversation looks a lot different then. Hopefully we are finally on the upward curve with Kenny, but to act like it's been obvious for months, or that he needs to be given a new contract now - is absolutely bizarre stuff. Lets wait and see.
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Originally posted by TooOldForThis TooOldForThis wrote:

From Daniel McDonnell...hate this sources say crap though....

"The contract situation for Stephen Kenny should be pretty straightforward right now. Unless he suffers a catastrophic November, then only an act of idiocy from the FAI board stands in the way of the Dubliner getting the chance to lead Ireland into the Euro 2024 campaign.

To say this is not to definitively state that Kenny’s double-header win proves beyond all doubt that he is the man to bring Ireland to a major tournament. But it’s worth finding out if he is the answer, with the evidence of the eyes pointing to steady improvement and a dressing room buy-in to what this management team are trying to achieve.

The argument for ripping it up and starting again is almost devoid of credibility at this point, and that’s a belief that is shared in influential corners of the FAI boardroom where lists of alternative candidates proposed have drawn derision rather than excitement."


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Originally posted by Artie Ziff Artie Ziff wrote:

Originally posted by TooOldForThis TooOldForThis wrote:

From Daniel McDonnell...hate this sources say crap though....

"The contract situation for Stephen Kenny should be pretty straightforward right now. Unless he suffers a catastrophic November, then only an act of idiocy from the FAI board stands in the way of the Dubliner getting the chance to lead Ireland into the Euro 2024 campaign.

To say this is not to definitively state that Kenny’s double-header win proves beyond all doubt that he is the man to bring Ireland to a major tournament. But it’s worth finding out if he is the answer, with the evidence of the eyes pointing to steady improvement and a dressing room buy-in to what this management team are trying to achieve.

The argument for ripping it up and starting again is almost devoid of credibility at this point, and that’s a belief that is shared in influential corners of the FAI boardroom where lists of alternative candidates proposed have drawn derision rather than excitement."


Some of the board members must have been reading some of the ludicrous new managers suggested in here LOL 

Steve Bruce is available, he'd get the best out of Clarkey plus he's Irish eligible by all accounts Smile
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Originally posted by Artie Ziff Artie Ziff wrote:

Originally posted by TooOldForThis TooOldForThis wrote:

From Daniel McDonnell...hate this sources say crap though....

"The contract situation for Stephen Kenny should be pretty straightforward right now. Unless he suffers a catastrophic November, then only an act of idiocy from the FAI board stands in the way of the Dubliner getting the chance to lead Ireland into the Euro 2024 campaign.

To say this is not to definitively state that Kenny’s double-header win proves beyond all doubt that he is the man to bring Ireland to a major tournament. But it’s worth finding out if he is the answer, with the evidence of the eyes pointing to steady improvement and a dressing room buy-in to what this management team are trying to achieve.

The argument for ripping it up and starting again is almost devoid of credibility at this point, and that’s a belief that is shared in influential corners of the FAI boardroom where lists of alternative candidates proposed have drawn derision rather than excitement."


Some of the board members must have been reading some of the ludicrous new managers suggested in here LOL 


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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Originally posted by The Huntacha The Huntacha wrote:

Originally posted by Terzino Terzino wrote:

Kenny's overall record is:
 

.........P.......W.....D.....L........F.....A

........18......3......8.....7......18...17


But since the Luxembourg debacle it is:


.........P.......W.....D......L........F.....A

.........8.......3......4.....1........15...6


We've played some poor teams, but hopefully this is more representative of things to come.

Dan McDonnell making a valid argument that bringing up results from 2020, instead of focusing on how we've done in 2021, in relation to a potential new contract for Kenny is as valid as bringing up the Macedonia result when discussing Mick qualifying for a WC 4/5 years later.

There has been progression, which is the most important. Games against Portugal shouldn't define whether any Ireland manager should continue in the job. I think we can all agree that there is more to come from both the players and management, but we're in a far better place than last year, so let's see where Kenny takes us.

The NL has taken on a new importance though, given Kenny has said the aim is now to top the group. So results in that absolutely do matter now. Because he's come out and said what the aim for the NL, whether he meant to or just got carried away, he won't be able to dismiss results if things don't go our way.

Bar McGoldrick, Kenny is still using the the same pool of players.  Kenny himself may have chosen different players but that was ultimately his decision.

Choosing only 2021 suits Kenny as it's in his favour, as results improved. 

Is that a fair analysis of his tenure by selecting specific date range? I wouldn't think so.



Ah I just think that 2020 was such a sh*tshow of a year when it came to the team getting together that we are only starting to see the progress being made in the last 2/3 international breaks.

Players weren't allowed train as a big group (I've heard this mentioned on a couple of podcasts but don't know how accurate it is). Players unable to mix properly as a team in the hotels. Playersbeing withdrawn from squads at the last minute through testing positive/being close contacts/not sitting in their designated seats on a plane. No fans in stadiums.

I just think 2021 should be the barometer, including the Luxembourg game in March. Has there been selection mistakes within that time? Yes. Have we had underwhelming performances? Yes. But we've also seen massive improvements in the team compared to 2020, most recently culminating in a couple of badly needed results.

I'm more than happy to wait until his contract is up before he is offered a renewal, but 2021 is the more accurate barometer of progression in terms of looking at his reign IMO.
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Originally posted by E2016 E2016 wrote:

Originally posted by Mr. Snrub Mr. Snrub wrote:

Everyone at the game on Tuesday is fully behind Kenny and we have been good to watch since the summer. When is the last time we sold out a friendly? Kenny is the right man for the job and better days will come.

The thoughts of sacking Kenny and going back to route one bogball is going to undo all the hard work over the past 18 months. Rome wasn't built in a day and there are so many clear signs of progression.


There were boo's after the game against Azerbaijan - a game we certainly weren't good to watch in. A few days later Serbia should have put 4 or 5 past us, not great to watch either. I was pleased with the Serbia result but why do people continually need to rewrite history with Kenny?

As for the progression - sure the last two games have been very good, but have there been 'so many clear signs of progression'? Is two games enough to point to and say that everything is finally coming to fruition?

If Portugal put a few goals past us and we lose to Luxembourg after, nobody is going to give two sh*ts about a friendly v Qatar. The conversation looks a lot different then. Hopefully we are finally on the upward curve with Kenny, but to act like it's been obvious for months, or that he needs to be given a new contract now - is absolutely bizarre stuff. Lets wait and see.

What is bizarre is this post. It's the glass half full or empty debate.

Your questions are laughable and clearly you haven't watched games. 

I personally saw signs of progression away in Slovakia for the play off, we missed some chances and ultimately did enough to at least force extra time if not win the game. Add in that the prep was hampered by COVID, key players pulling out & the fact we couldn't travel in our thousands to support the lads really didn't help us, in fact he was unlucky.

He has played virtually all his games without fans - not a factor for a sh*te country but a massive factor for us when we travel in numbers and sell out our home ground. 

We travelled to Portugal - 7th best ranked team in the world FYI and had tactics. We had a game plan, gave it a go & should have won. At the very least held on for a draw. Did we ride our luck a bit? Of course we did but that's expected. Winning was never expected.

He has brought through how many players? Removed a lot of dead wood. Players like Hendrick & Duffy are almost like new players while he showed everyone that Coleman and Doherty can play together.

It takes time and patience but to say there hasn't been progress is baffling. Either you're blind or just read stuff on Twitter after every game and then post drivel.

The man is perfect for the job, he knows about the Irish set up, he knows about LOI and you know what - he knows football. Put some respect on the change in our setup and play. 663 passes the other night @ 92% accuracy.


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What you expect from an Ireland team is spirit and doggedness. A team that is difficult to play against and fights to the last minute.

Kenny was supposed to come in and make us use the ball better. We were going to finish 3rd, but do it better, as the joke went.

It didn't turn out like that though and there has been an awful flatness to a lot of our games, and we became easy to beat.

However, in the last while we have been much more lively. Even if the performances were poor, the team at least showed spirit - the Azerbaijan and Serbia home games.

In the last two games, we've had the spirit and added some quality football too. It has come together at last. The question now is can he keep the momentum going.

The performance against Portugal will matter more than the result. And if we play against Luxembourg as we did against Azerbaijan and Qatar, then we should win that game.

That will see Kenny comfortably into another contract.

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A big problem with the earlier SK teams is that, yes, we were trying to play passing football but were doing it in the wrong areas, not creating much and even looking quite shaky at the back.

What seems to have changed recently is we look much more positive and creative and are very good in the final third of the pitch - the earlier teams looked goal shy and rarely tested the keeper. Noticeable too that chances are coming just as much from open play, not just set pieces.
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There were boo's after the game against Azerbaijan - a game we certainly weren't good to watch in. A few days later Serbia should have put 4 or 5 past us, not great to watch either. I was pleased with the Serbia result but why do people continually need to rewrite history with Kenny?

As for the progression - sure the last two games have been very good, but have there been 'so many clear signs of progression'? Is two games enough to point to and say that everything is finally coming to fruition?

If Portugal put a few goals past us and we lose to Luxembourg after, nobody is going to give two sh*ts about a friendly v Qatar. The conversation looks a lot different then. Hopefully we are finally on the upward curve with Kenny, but to act like it's been obvious for months, or that he needs to be given a new contract now - is absolutely bizarre stuff. Lets wait and see.

I think the “should have” is a moot point, we should have put a few past Slovakia and we didn’t - we take the result on its merit and move on.

Progress has been slow but if you’re taking results for what they are, not should haves or would haves, they have been encouraging since the June break (bar Azerbaijan at home!!)
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Originally posted by kearney304 kearney304 wrote:

Originally posted by E2016 E2016 wrote:

Originally posted by Mr. Snrub Mr. Snrub wrote:

Everyone at the game on Tuesday is fully behind Kenny and we have been good to watch since the summer. When is the last time we sold out a friendly? Kenny is the right man for the job and better days will come.

The thoughts of sacking Kenny and going back to route one bogball is going to undo all the hard work over the past 18 months. Rome wasn't built in a day and there are so many clear signs of progression.


There were boo's after the game against Azerbaijan - a game we certainly weren't good to watch in. A few days later Serbia should have put 4 or 5 past us, not great to watch either. I was pleased with the Serbia result but why do people continually need to rewrite history with Kenny?

As for the progression - sure the last two games have been very good, but have there been 'so many clear signs of progression'? Is two games enough to point to and say that everything is finally coming to fruition?

If Portugal put a few goals past us and we lose to Luxembourg after, nobody is going to give two sh*ts about a friendly v Qatar. The conversation looks a lot different then. Hopefully we are finally on the upward curve with Kenny, but to act like it's been obvious for months, or that he needs to be given a new contract now - is absolutely bizarre stuff. Lets wait and see.

What is bizarre is this post. It's the glass half full or empty debate.

Your questions are laughable and clearly you haven't watched games. 

I personally saw signs of progression away in Slovakia for the play off, we missed some chances and ultimately did enough to at least force extra time if not win the game. Add in that the prep was hampered by COVID, key players pulling out & the fact we couldn't travel in our thousands to support the lads really didn't help us, in fact he was unlucky.

He has played virtually all his games without fans - not a factor for a sh*te country but a massive factor for us when we travel in numbers and sell out our home ground. 

We travelled to Portugal - 7th best ranked team in the world FYI and had tactics. We had a game plan, gave it a go & should have won. At the very least held on for a draw. Did we ride our luck a bit? Of course we did but that's expected. Winning was never expected.

He has brought through how many players? Removed a lot of dead wood. Players like Hendrick & Duffy are almost like new players while he showed everyone that Coleman and Doherty can play together.

It takes time and patience but to say there hasn't been progress is baffling. Either you're blind or just read stuff on Twitter after every game and then post drivel.

The man is perfect for the job, he knows about the Irish set up, he knows about LOI and you know what - he knows football. Put some respect on the change in our setup and play. 663 passes the other night @ 92% accuracy.


Laughable? - your response barely makes a lick of sense.

We followed up that Slovakia result with a series of woeful performances and results so whatever progress there was in that game was short lived.

Which 'deadwood' did he remove exactly?

"without fans - not a factor for a sh*te country but a massive factor for us when we travel in numbers and sell out our home ground." - This is unquantifiable nonsense, plenty of international teams enjoy strong home and away support.

"Players like Hendrick & Duffy are almost like new players" - Hendrick is absolutely a fair point given he isn't up to much at club level, but are you actually crediting Shane Duffys resurrection to Kenny? His club manager who trains him day in day out had nothing to do with it?

"while he showed everyone that Coleman and Doherty can play together." - Coleman and Doherty started together twice under Kenny. We lost both games - yes they did well v Portugal but the other defeat was the home defeat to Luxembourg. That's conclusive alright - literally making my point for me about the hyperbolic praise afforded to Kenny. 

"he knows about the Irish set up" - His knowledge of Irish players compared to his predecessors is certainly better so yeah, credit for that - I'm not sure if that is what you meant by set up.
"he knows about LOI" - How is that even remotely relevant when he doesn't call up any player in it? LOL

"and you know what - he knows football." - I expect many Dunfermline and Rovers fans disagree with that.

"663 passes the other night @ 92% accuracy." - We played some very nice football the other night, it was just one night in a friendly vs a poor side. We also created lots of chances v Azerbaijan. Hopefully we can maintain that level or close to it. Lets see how we do going forward.

Your post is so over the top about Kenny it's ridiculous - completely blind to any failure and completely hyperbolic regarding any success. He has had challenges with Covid like every other international manager. He has brought through some players, absolutely. He has also presided over many poor performances and even poorer results.

The most recent two games were extremely positive and welcome - however it might be worth just waiting to see whether that standard will be maintained going forward. Lets see if we finish off the group strongly, and if we do I don't think there would be anybody begrudging him a crack at Euro 2024.


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