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Posted: 26 May 2021 at 10:19pm |
what we have is it, that’s all, nothing more, we are Luxembourg level players. Kenny has set up to try and play, hold onto it pass and move, but it’ll be a long wait till we get players through. The present bunch are deplorable (the ones who’ve been here a while) or poor and low level( the newer ones). If, and it’s a long shot, a continuous and consistent style develops from underage right thru to u21 and senior then we might develop past caveman level in 5 years or so.This has been coming down the road from waaay back, develop the league here at home, put resources into youth academies at all clubs ,in partnership with schoolboy clubs, and get lads playing adult pro football here then moving up a level abroad instead of exporting kids to play u23 friendly sh*te with English clubs at 16 or 17.
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Posted: 26 May 2021 at 10:24pm |
We have a limited squad of players, so we should play to our strengths and capatilise on our opponents weaknesses. From the games so far under SK, what are our strengths and are we playing to them. You can't put round pegs in square holes.
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Posted: 26 May 2021 at 10:34pm |
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Also, WTF are you on about comparing us to PSG? Some other fella said we need to stop trying to play like Barcelona.
Just because your first instinct isn’t to welly the ball up the pitch doesn’t mean you’re trying to play total football. We’re trying to retain possession more and play the ball out from the back more. |
He literally used a clip of Man City v Real Madrid in the fans Q&A a while back to demonstrate the kind of football he was trying to get the team to play.
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Posted: 26 May 2021 at 10:58pm |
LOL.
There's only two ways to play. Hoof ball or PSG/Vintage Barcelona.
Hilarious distillation of footballing tactics. Get a grip.
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Posted: 27 May 2021 at 12:06am |
Cabra Hoop wrote:
We have a limited squad of players, so we should play to our strengths and capatilise on our opponents weaknesses. From the games so far under SK, what are our strengths and are we playing to them. You can't put round pegs in square holes. |
I do not think we have any strengths. Taking an hour to take a throw in..waiting for Coleman to come up and take it every time for no apparent reason. Is that a strength??
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Posted: 27 May 2021 at 12:24am |
You Tell Me wrote:
FrankosHereNow wrote:
Also, WTF are you on about comparing us to PSG? Some other fella said we need to stop trying to play like Barcelona.
Just because your first instinct isn’t to welly the ball up the pitch doesn’t mean you’re trying to play total football. We’re trying to retain possession more and play the ball out from the back more. |
He literally used a clip of Man City v Real Madrid in the fans Q&A a while back to demonstrate the kind of football he was trying to get the team to play. |
So SK is setting us up like PSG, Barcelona, Man City & Real Madrid
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Posted: 27 May 2021 at 1:17am |
I think we've generally been pretty strong defensively under Kenny so I think people are oversimplifying it.
He's mixed up our attacking patterns as his regime progresses and we don't look as one-note as we did early on. We've put more crosses in and stopped trying to pass it aimlessly through the middle when it isn't working, forwards look less isolated and drop deep more to better effect.
It's still the lack of an all-rounder in midfield or a #10 along with the lack of experience up front that's inhibiting us.
I think the Slovakia and Serbia performances have given food for thought. We need to play down to weaker opponents levels more, though.
I maintain we could've gotten at least a point against Serbia with Randolph or Kelleher in goal.
Travers and Bazunu are not ready yet and selecting Travers was something I knew was going to backfire when the teams were announced.
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Posted: 27 May 2021 at 9:00am |
9fingers wrote:
You Tell Me wrote:
FrankosHereNow wrote:
Also, WTF are you on about comparing us to PSG? Some other fella said we need to stop trying to play like Barcelona.
Just because your first instinct isn’t to welly the ball up the pitch doesn’t mean you’re trying to play total football. We’re trying to retain possession more and play the ball out from the back more. |
He literally used a clip of Man City v Real Madrid in the fans Q&A a while back to demonstrate the kind of football he was trying to get the team to play. |
So SK is setting us up like PSG, Barcelona, Man City & Real Madrid
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Yep he is and we end up looking like Grimbsy , Barrow & Dover
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Posted: 27 May 2021 at 11:19am |
Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:
I think we've generally been pretty strong defensively under Kenny so I think people are oversimplifying it.
He's mixed up our attacking patterns as his regime progresses and we don't look as one-note as we did early on. We've put more crosses in and stopped trying to pass it aimlessly through the middle when it isn't working, forwards look less isolated and drop deep more to better effect.
It's still the lack of an all-rounder in midfield or a #10 along with the lack of experience up front that's inhibiting us.
I think the Slovakia and Serbia performances have given food for thought. We need to play down to weaker opponents levels more, though.
I maintain we could've gotten at least a point against Serbia with Randolph or Kelleher in goal.
Travers and Bazunu are not ready yet and selecting Travers was something I knew was going to backfire when the teams were announced.
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Posted: 27 May 2021 at 11:40am |
tetsujin1979 wrote:
Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:
I think we've generally been pretty strong defensively under Kenny so I think people are oversimplifying it.
He's mixed up our attacking patterns as his regime progresses and we don't look as one-note as we did early on. We've put more crosses in and stopped trying to pass it aimlessly through the middle when it isn't working, forwards look less isolated and drop deep more to better effect.
It's still the lack of an all-rounder in midfield or a #10 along with the lack of experience up front that's inhibiting us.
I think the Slovakia and Serbia performances have given food for thought. We need to play down to weaker opponents levels more, though.
I maintain we could've gotten at least a point against Serbia with Randolph or Kelleher in goal.
Travers and Bazunu are not ready yet and selecting Travers was something I knew was going to backfire when the teams were announced.
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In his 11 games in charge, we've conceded 12 goals, as many as we conceded in the previous 16 games In the 11 games before Kenny took over, we conceded 7 goals
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Go on go on do the goals scored comparisons for the craic. One thing I can assure you is you won’t need no abacus!!
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Posted: 27 May 2021 at 12:00pm |
Fruice wrote:
tetsujin1979 wrote:
Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:
I think we've generally been pretty strong defensively under Kenny so I think people are oversimplifying it.
He's mixed up our attacking patterns as his regime progresses and we don't look as one-note as we did early on. We've put more crosses in and stopped trying to pass it aimlessly through the middle when it isn't working, forwards look less isolated and drop deep more to better effect.
It's still the lack of an all-rounder in midfield or a #10 along with the lack of experience up front that's inhibiting us.
I think the Slovakia and Serbia performances have given food for thought. We need to play down to weaker opponents levels more, though.
I maintain we could've gotten at least a point against Serbia with Randolph or Kelleher in goal.
Travers and Bazunu are not ready yet and selecting Travers was something I knew was going to backfire when the teams were announced.
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In his 11 games in charge, we've conceded 12 goals, as many as we conceded in the previous 16 games In the 11 games before Kenny took over, we conceded 7 goals
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Go on go on do the goals scored comparisons for the craic. One thing I can assure you is you won’t need no abacus!! |
In his 11 games in charge, we've scored 4 goals, as many as we scored in the previous 2 games (1 V Denmark, 3 V New Zealand) In the 11 games before Kenny took over, we scored 13 goals
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Posted: 27 May 2021 at 12:23pm |
In terms of results Kenny needs to be sure of staying on for the EUROs/Nations League campaign, I think this would be a decent return given our expectations providing we finish in 3rd spot.
Portugal - Away- 2 or 3 nil loss (Need to avoid a hammering if possible) Azerbaijan - Home - Win of any kind no matter how unconvincing performance wise Serbia - Home - Draw
Azerbaijan - Away - Win of any kind no matter how unconvincing performance wise Portugal - Home - 2 or 3 nil loss (Need to avoid a hammering if possible) Luxembourg - Away - Draw as long as it means we finish 3rd otherwise a win to get 3rd spot.
If we finish on 8 points we'll need need Serbia to beat Luxembourg twice and Azerbaijan to take points of Luxembourg in Baku. We could scrape 3rd spot over Luxembourg on GD but it would be very tight to do it on 8 points.
We simply have to beat Azerbaijan home and away and they look like they were difficult to beat in the Serbia/Portugal games.
If Luxembourg have 8/9 points going into our match with them in November we'll have to beat them as we'll only be on 7 points maximum going into that match.
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Posted: 27 May 2021 at 12:49pm |
Let the race for third commence.
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Posted: 27 May 2021 at 12:53pm |
tetsujin1979 wrote:
Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:
I think we've generally been pretty strong defensively under Kenny so I think people are oversimplifying it.
He's mixed up our attacking patterns as his regime progresses and we don't look as one-note as we did early on. We've put more crosses in and stopped trying to pass it aimlessly through the middle when it isn't working, forwards look less isolated and drop deep more to better effect.
It's still the lack of an all-rounder in midfield or a #10 along with the lack of experience up front that's inhibiting us.
I think the Slovakia and Serbia performances have given food for thought. We need to play down to weaker opponents levels more, though.
I maintain we could've gotten at least a point against Serbia with Randolph or Kelleher in goal.
Travers and Bazunu are not ready yet and selecting Travers was something I knew was going to backfire when the teams were announced.
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In his 11 games in charge, we've conceded 12 goals, as many as we conceded in the previous 16 games In the 11 games before Kenny took over, we conceded 7 goals
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In mitigation, Kenny hasn't been able to put out a settled side. No manager has dealt with the personnel issues that have beset him.
Randolph saved us from drawing in Gibraltar under Mick. His replacement was at fault for two goals against Serbia and Bazunu didn't prove much better.
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Posted: 27 May 2021 at 12:57pm |
irishmufc wrote:
In terms of results Kenny needs to be sure of staying on for the EUROs/Nations League campaign, I think this would be a decent return given our expectations providing we finish in 3rd spot.
Portugal - Away- 2 or 3 nil loss (Need to avoid a hammering if possible) Azerbaijan - Home - Win of any kind no matter how unconvincing performance wise Serbia - Home - Draw
Azerbaijan - Away - Win of any kind no matter how unconvincing performance wise Portugal - Home - 2 or 3 nil loss (Need to avoid a hammering if possible) Luxembourg - Away - Draw as long as it means we finish 3rd otherwise a win to get 3rd spot.
If we finish on 8 points we'll need need Serbia to beat Luxembourg twice and Azerbaijan to take points of Luxembourg in Baku. We could scrape 3rd spot over Luxembourg on GD but it would be very tight to do it on 8 points.
We simply have to beat Azerbaijan home and away and they look like they were difficult to beat in the Serbia/Portugal games.
If Luxembourg have 8/9 points going into our match with them in November we'll have to beat them as we'll only be on 7 points maximum going into that match.
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Posted: 27 May 2021 at 1:02pm |
Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:
tetsujin1979 wrote:
Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:
I think we've generally been pretty strong defensively under Kenny so I think people are oversimplifying it.
He's mixed up our attacking patterns as his regime progresses and we don't look as one-note as we did early on. We've put more crosses in and stopped trying to pass it aimlessly through the middle when it isn't working, forwards look less isolated and drop deep more to better effect.
It's still the lack of an all-rounder in midfield or a #10 along with the lack of experience up front that's inhibiting us.
I think the Slovakia and Serbia performances have given food for thought. We need to play down to weaker opponents levels more, though.
I maintain we could've gotten at least a point against Serbia with Randolph or Kelleher in goal.
Travers and Bazunu are not ready yet and selecting Travers was something I knew was going to backfire when the teams were announced.
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In his 11 games in charge, we've conceded 12 goals, as many as we conceded in the previous 16 games In the 11 games before Kenny took over, we conceded 7 goals
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In mitigation, Kenny hasn't been able to put out a settled side. No manager has dealt with the personnel issues that have beset him.
Randolph saved us from drawing in Gibraltar under Mick. His replacement was at fault for two goals against Serbia and Bazunu didn't prove much better.
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That point has been made ad nauseum on here (including by myself) but 11 games without a win is still 11 games without a win.
He needs a win from these two games to give us some platform to start from going into September's qualifiers. I wouldn't be expecting us to beat Hungary with a weakened Irish squad and Hungary's fringe/squad players trying to stake a EURO 2020 starting place but a draw and a win is badly needed for confidence followed up by a hopefully respectable defeat in Faro.
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Posted: 27 May 2021 at 1:04pm |
Cabra Hoop wrote:
irishmufc wrote:
In terms of results Kenny needs to be sure of staying on for the EUROs/Nations League campaign, I think this would be a decent return given our expectations providing we finish in 3rd spot.
Portugal - Away- 2 or 3 nil loss (Need to avoid a hammering if possible) Azerbaijan - Home - Win of any kind no matter how unconvincing performance wise Serbia - Home - Draw
Azerbaijan - Away - Win of any kind no matter how unconvincing performance wise Portugal - Home - 2 or 3 nil loss (Need to avoid a hammering if possible) Luxembourg - Away - Draw as long as it means we finish 3rd otherwise a win to get 3rd spot.
If we finish on 8 points we'll need need Serbia to beat Luxembourg twice and Azerbaijan to take points of Luxembourg in Baku. We could scrape 3rd spot over Luxembourg on GD but it would be very tight to do it on 8 points.
We simply have to beat Azerbaijan home and away and they look like they were difficult to beat in the Serbia/Portugal games.
If Luxembourg have 8/9 points going into our match with them in November we'll have to beat them as we'll only be on 7 points maximum going into that match.
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There's a lot alright that needs to go for us but I think it's what Kenny needs in terms of his own position.
If we finish 4th in this group, I think he'll have lost the players confidence and would need to go.
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Posted: 27 May 2021 at 1:18pm |
Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:
tetsujin1979 wrote:
Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:
I think we've generally been pretty strong defensively under Kenny so I think people are oversimplifying it.
He's mixed up our attacking patterns as his regime progresses and we don't look as one-note as we did early on. We've put more crosses in and stopped trying to pass it aimlessly through the middle when it isn't working, forwards look less isolated and drop deep more to better effect.
It's still the lack of an all-rounder in midfield or a #10 along with the lack of experience up front that's inhibiting us.
I think the Slovakia and Serbia performances have given food for thought. We need to play down to weaker opponents levels more, though.
I maintain we could've gotten at least a point against Serbia with Randolph or Kelleher in goal.
Travers and Bazunu are not ready yet and selecting Travers was something I knew was going to backfire when the teams were announced.
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In his 11 games in charge, we've conceded 12 goals, as many as we conceded in the previous 16 games In the 11 games before Kenny took over, we conceded 7 goals
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In mitigation, Kenny hasn't been able to put out a settled side. No manager has dealt with the personnel issues that have beset him.
Randolph saved us from drawing in Gibraltar under Mick. His replacement was at fault for two goals against Serbia and Bazunu didn't prove much better.
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Every manager has to deal with players availability, not in the same level as Kenny granted, but it's rare that we would have every eligible player fit and available for selection
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