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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

No, Baldrick. I have no issue with it. I'm looking at the situation objectively, and it has resulted in an unnecessary PR and HR disaster. Like I said, two months later, we're still talking about it.
The problem is not the video it was the leak. Kelly was obviously angered with it and would have possible left anyway but the situation wouldn’t look anywhere near as bad if it wasn’t leaked. Duff leaving would have been prevented too.
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But without the video, there is no leak. They're not mutually exclusive. And don't get me wrong, this should have been dealt with internally.
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that’s like saying you drop a player for ill discipline and as a result the player goes crazy and a big row breaks out and he and someone else leave the camp and blaming it on the manager for dropping the player as without that decision nothing else flows from it.  It’s bizarre logic and I hope you are a not manager as you would never make a decision for fear of something negative happening from it. 
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

No, Baldrick. I have no issue with it. I'm looking at the situation objectively, and it has resulted in an unnecessary PR and HR disaster. Like I said, two months later, we're still talking about it.


I am always suspicious of anyone who says they are looking at a situation objectively.  That’s impossible esp about human relationships.   2 plus 2 is objective.  Interpreting a row is not.  
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

But without the video, there is no leak. They're not mutually exclusive. And don't get me wrong, this should have been dealt with internally.
If it was not this situation I guarantee you the bollox (bolloxes) involved would have found some other situation that did not suit them to have a pop at the new management team, an absolute nothing story that had 1 great outcome, Alan old FAI Kelly had no option but to skulk away, SK will now be able to have whatever video or speech he wants in meetings without worrying about some low life rat skulking off to a paymaster and stirring sh*te.
Just because it's tradition does not make it right
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well said Daithi.  The biggest mistake Kenny made was not getting rid of any mick loyalists. 
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Playing a relatively anti English video to a group of men who are almost entirely based in England, have their kids and families in England, in some cases were born in England and may actually identify as English was less than ideal.
Playing the rebel songs on the bus is much less confrontational.
 
It has been a PR disaster. Very amateur. Very LoI.
Imagine Southgate playing videos of various IRA atrocities as a means to motivate his charges, it would be utterly ridiculous!
 
It casts doubt on whether Kenny actually clicks with this group. The players have not looked up for any of their games under SK (Slovakia aside). They have had hardly any yellow cards. Whatever about tactics, Irish sides have to be physical and aggressive. There has been no aggression under Kenny.
 
 
 
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damien duff played in england since he was a kid. Where is the evidence it is anti english.  You are speculating and using no evidence as a starting point for an anti Kenny rant.  
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Originally posted by avfc avfc wrote:

Playing a relatively anti English video to a group of men who are almost entirely based in England, have their kids and families in England, in some cases were born in England and may actually identify as English was less than ideal.
Playing the rebel songs on the bus is much less confrontational.
 
It has been a PR disaster. Very amateur. Very LoI.
Imagine Southgate playing videos of various IRA atrocities as a means to motivate his charges, it would be utterly ridiculous!
 
It casts doubt on whether Kenny actually clicks with this group. The players have not looked up for any of their games under SK (Slovakia aside). They have had hardly any yellow cards. Whatever about tactics, Irish sides have to be physical and aggressive. There has been no aggression under Kenny.
 
 
 

Have you seen the video?  How do you know it was anti-English?

Again, have you seen the video, was there pro IRA message in it?  (This is big news if so by the way)




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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

damien duff played in england since he was a kid. Where is the evidence it is anti english.  You are speculating and using no evidence as a starting point for an anti Kenny rant.  
 
The video obviously had anti British connotations.
 
It was an absurd attempt at motivating players. Amateur hour.
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Originally posted by avfc avfc wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

damien duff played in england since he was a kid. Where is the evidence it is anti english.  You are speculating and using no evidence as a starting point for an anti Kenny rant.  
 
The video obviously had anti British connotations.
 
It was an absurd attempt at motivating players. Amateur hour.

ok so you haven't seen it.  That clears that up so.  Just unfounded speculation.


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Originally posted by exgrad exgrad wrote:

Originally posted by avfc avfc wrote:

Playing a relatively anti English video to a group of men who are almost entirely based in England, have their kids and families in England, in some cases were born in England and may actually identify as English was less than ideal.
Playing the rebel songs on the bus is much less confrontational.
 
It has been a PR disaster. Very amateur. Very LoI.
Imagine Southgate playing videos of various IRA atrocities as a means to motivate his charges, it would be utterly ridiculous!
 
It casts doubt on whether Kenny actually clicks with this group. The players have not looked up for any of their games under SK (Slovakia aside). They have had hardly any yellow cards. Whatever about tactics, Irish sides have to be physical and aggressive. There has been no aggression under Kenny.
 
 
 

Have you seen the video?  How do you know it was anti-English? A video about Irish history is obviously going to reflect badly on England, that doesn't need explanation surely.

Again, have you seen the video, was there pro IRA message in it?  (This is big news if so by the way)
 
The Southgate/IRA reference was an analogy.




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Originally posted by avfc avfc wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

damien duff played in england since he was a kid. Where is the evidence it is anti english.  You are speculating and using no evidence as a starting point for an anti Kenny rant.  
 
The video obviously had anti British connotations.
 
It was an absurd attempt at motivating players. Amateur hour.

So it's gone from anti English to anti British now.  You are basing that on what.   An investigation was done and it was decided there was no issues and it was a fuss about nothing.   

Your bias is clouding your judgement.  
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Originally posted by exgrad exgrad wrote:

Originally posted by avfc avfc wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

damien duff played in england since he was a kid. Where is the evidence it is anti english.  You are speculating and using no evidence as a starting point for an anti Kenny rant.  
 
The video obviously had anti British connotations.
 
It was an absurd attempt at motivating players. Amateur hour.

ok so you haven't seen it.  That clears that up so.  Just unfounded speculation.


 
I obviously did not see the video. That does not negate my point that it was utterly absurd.
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You sir are talking outside both sides of your hole. 
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

You sir are talking outside both sides of your hole. 
 
So if we did not see the video we can't comment on it being a joke? Is that your actual logic?
 
Are you defending this video? It's an absolute sh1tshow!!!!
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