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Originally posted by Claret Murph Claret Murph wrote:

Did think we were quite in the game in the first half but once they scored we all know the story after that .
I really don't think that Kenny can get the team out of this slide and it's only a matter of time before he is shown the door .

I would have to agree. Have we really improved since our first game against Bulgaria? I dont think we have. We are missing some players but only 3-4 starters. Stevens, Connolly, Robinson and McCarthy. It really is quite an achievement to have made us even more toothless in the final third and less organised at the back.
Walters coming back from an offside position but Shane Long was definitely onside- Shane Lonnggggggg.... has done it!!!!
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Originally posted by doherty doherty wrote:

All else aside he has had the worse luck going. Possibly of any international manager since covid began. At the very least we need our best players available to us on a good day. Its been one disaster after another. 

Keep hearing this? I think thats an excuse- he has had at least 7 starters available every game.
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He will get the full campaign. 
Its not like we are getting hammered by Cyprus and the likes. 
We are not beating sides who are in and around our level.
They have all been pretty close games. 
We have had f**k all luck with player unavailability.  
Lack of goals are a big concern but it was the same before Kenny came in.
If we can get Connolly and Robinson and maybe Parrott on the pitch at the same time then we should start scoring more 
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Originally posted by zizu Kilbane zizu Kilbane wrote:

Who's going to be managing ireland then? It's not likely to be an attractive job for any decent managers

My genuine opinion at the moment is that, rightly or wrongly, Kenny won't make it to the end of 2021 in the job.

These things kind of go in cycles, so after going for a relatively risky appointment in Kenny, we're likely to go for a safe pair of hands next time out.

Someone like Chris Hughton is probably on a hiding to nothing at Forest. If he was out of work when the job comes up he'd be a decent bet, would probably settle for a reduced salary to get a fairly high profile job.

He deserves at least the full WCQ campaign minium. The Covid disasters of the last 2 camps have at least given him the chance to use a lot players.

Bringing in another outside manager from the UK or beyond will see us revert to 10 men behind the ball and lumping it forward. That hasn't worked the last few campaigns, it won't work again. There is no point in replacing Kenny unless it's with another progressive manager.
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Originally posted by Stickittotheman Stickittotheman wrote:

Originally posted by doherty doherty wrote:

All else aside he has had the worse luck going. Possibly of any international manager since covid began. At the very least we need our best players available to us on a good day. Its been one disaster after another. 

Keep hearing this? I think thats an excuse- he has had at least 7 starters available every game.

Has had to chop and change every game. Our best player IMO connolly has been absent for most of the games. Mcgoldrick has retired. Robinson who would have started all games if fit missed a lot. Covid issues late pull outs etc etc. Its obvious hes had not much going for him since he began.
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Originally posted by Stickittotheman Stickittotheman wrote:

Originally posted by doherty doherty wrote:

All else aside he has had the worse luck going. Possibly of any international manager since covid began. At the very least we need our best players available to us on a good day. Its been one disaster after another. 

Keep hearing this? I think thats an excuse- he has had at least 7 starters available every game.

For this game alone we were missing Connolly, Robinson, Stevens, McCarthy, Egan and Coleman. That's 6 PL players who would probably all have started. I'd do the math there again in if I was you 
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Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

He will get the full campaign. 
Its not like we are getting hammered by Cyprus and the likes. 
We are not beating sides who are in and around our level.
They have all been pretty close games. 
We have had f**k all luck with player unavailability.  
Lack of goals are a big concern but it was the same before Kenny came in.
If we can get Connolly and Robinson and maybe Parrott on the pitch at the same time then we should start scoring more 

None of those 3 score with any regularity at club level. 

It's the impossible job. But his tactics are all over the shop. 

It's becoming an inevitable certainty that the dressing room are questioning him. 

He'll get most of if not all the WCQ and then the P45.

Chris Hughton in time would be a great shout. 

We have to prepare ourselves for an arduous WCQ. 
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Originally posted by zizu Kilbane zizu Kilbane wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Originally posted by zizu Kilbane zizu Kilbane wrote:

Who's going to be managing ireland then? It's not likely to be an attractive job for any decent managers

My genuine opinion at the moment is that, rightly or wrongly, Kenny won't make it to the end of 2021 in the job.

These things kind of go in cycles, so after going for a relatively risky appointment in Kenny, we're likely to go for a safe pair of hands next time out.

Someone like Chris Hughton is probably on a hiding to nothing at Forest. If he was out of work when the job comes up he'd be a decent bet, would probably settle for a reduced salary to get a fairly high profile job.

He deserves at least the full WCQ campaign minium. The Covid disasters of the last 2 camps have at least given him the chance to use a lot players.

Bringing in another outside manager from the UK or beyond will see us revert to 10 men behind the ball and lumping it forward. That hasn't worked the last few campaigns, it won't work again. There is no point in replacing Kenny unless it's with another progressive manager.



Why is Kenny a progessive manager?

0 goals in 570 minutes and counting is regressive. 
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Reading this thread makes me wonder whether anyone on here watched Irish football matches before September 2020. We more than competed with a stronger team away from home and deserved a result. 

The World Cup qualifiers are the be all and end all. Hopefully our whole squad will be immune by then, more are playing regularly and we aren’t cursed with injuries. We have 2 more starters missing on Wednesday - so we only have 5 of his 1st team available. Again; hopefully we win but I wouldn’t be getting too concerned.
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People must have forgotten when we tried to draw our way to the Euros under Mick especially when we got that great draw away to GeorgiaDeadDead
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Originally posted by Pipkin Pipkin wrote:

Reading this thread makes me wonder whether anyone on here watched Irish football matches before September 2020. We more than competed with a stronger team away from home and deserved a result. 

The World Cup qualifiers are the be all and end all. Hopefully our whole squad will be immune by then, more are playing regularly and we aren’t cursed with injuries. We have 2 more starters missing on Wednesday - so we only have 5 of his 1st team available. Again; hopefully we win but I wouldn’t be getting too concerned.

The Team pre September was a harder team to beat. The team post September has even less teeth and a far softer underbelly. 
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We have seriously short memories as fans. 

How anyone can make judgement on Kenny especially with what he’s had to deal with over the last 2 international breaks is beyond me. 

I really hope for his sake we can get a result on Wednesday, just to keep the eejits at bay 
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Originally posted by Pipkin Pipkin wrote:

Reading this thread makes me wonder whether anyone on here watched Irish football matches before September 2020. We more than competed with a stronger team away from home and deserved a result. 

The World Cup qualifiers are the be all and end all. Hopefully our whole squad will be immune by then, more are playing regularly and we aren’t cursed with injuries. We have 2 more starters missing on Wednesday - so we only have 5 of his 1st team available. Again; hopefully we win but I wouldn’t be getting too concerned.
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Originally posted by daithi daithi wrote:

Originally posted by Pipkin Pipkin wrote:

Reading this thread makes me wonder whether anyone on here watched Irish football matches before September 2020. We more than competed with a stronger team away from home and deserved a result. 

The World Cup qualifiers are the be all and end all. Hopefully our whole squad will be immune by then, more are playing regularly and we aren’t cursed with injuries. We have 2 more starters missing on Wednesday - so we only have 5 of his 1st team available. Again; hopefully we win but I wouldn’t be getting too concerned.
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The reality is there's a huge element of political correctness at play here

Kenny is being protected because he's a product of the League of Ireland, same with Jack Byrne

If Eddie Howe or Paul Jewell or Neil Lennon or somebody had taken over and failed to score for six games in a row and failed to score from play at all, the knives would be out in a massive way in the Irish media

That there aren't is because it's a mates thing, a backslapping thing

There are lads here who genuinely think Jack Byrne is the answer and to hell with Jeff Hendrick

Forget yer man at Newcastle, the guy at Shamrock Rovers is who we want to build the team around, deary, deary me

The way it's going, we'll be down to the level Northern Ireland were at for the whole of the 90s and the early part of the 2000s

The football will be nice, it'll be pretty, it'll be completely powder puff, and we'll be thumped most times we play








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Originally posted by Donegalman Donegalman wrote:

People must have forgotten when we tried to draw our way to the Euros under Mick especially when we got that great draw away to GeorgiaDeadDead


Ya, that was terrible, but we wouldn’t even get that draw now. Neither would we draw with the Swiss or beat the Georgians at home - not based on what we’ve seen anyway, 
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