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savo01
Liam Brady Joined: 14 Feb 2013 Location: South Armagh Status: Offline Points: 1902 |
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With Cabinteley gone, there is a place to be filled, and hopefully not a B team. Would a second Limerick team actually help football in the city, by creating a bit of a rivalry? There was a talk a few years ago of Carlow IT looking to do something with a team based ay Kilkenny City's ground wasn't there?
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Johnny Giles. Ireland Mick McCarthy, Stephen Staunton Cascarino Tony Galvin, Niall Quinn Packie doesn't let em in North of Ireland South of Ireland Only one can go |
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greenshoots
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ok cool, thanks 9fingers!
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9fingers
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https://twitter.com/chippie1974/status/1444224867755302913?s=21
If you want to know about LOI finances Chippie is your man. If you have time to search his tweets he has breakdowns for pretty much all clubs.
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greenshoots
Kevin Kilbane Joined: 08 Jun 2021 Location: Limerick Status: Offline Points: 450 |
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An Irish football, but non LOI fan, jumping onto a LOI thread for the first time.... I'm impressed with the number of quality players coming up through the ranks with LOI clubs, and Brexit might actually be doing us a favour here. Keeping our best kids at home, playing with LOI clubs, making the breakthrough and looks to be making the league better. So all good! My post is to do with underage academies. Here's map of the location of all 20 LOI clubs in Ireland. 7 in or around Dublin area, but decent covereage for the rest of the country. Gaps maybe in Kerry, Mayo, Tipperary, Kildare, Carlow/Kilkenny. I've read all the posts here about having another Div in the LOI and its mooted again today. I cant understand it. I dont see how promotion/relegation helps develop football in this country. Go to the US model, essentially 'franchise' your clubs and they play in 2 divisions, with promotion/relegation from one Div to the other. Establish clubs in LOI clubs in Killarney, Tipperary, Castlebar and Kildare. Two Divisions of 24 teams. Get Govt funding for academy structures in all clubs and really take advantage of brexit and get a super talented crop of irish kids coming through in a few years time. Can anyone here tell me the cost of running a LOI club this year?
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adineen98
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savo01
Liam Brady Joined: 14 Feb 2013 Location: South Armagh Status: Offline Points: 1902 |
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While I like this idea in principal is it just not taking money away from the underage teams?
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cildaratown
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https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/new-players-eye-role-in-league-of-ireland-38519140.html
"The next big meeting is planned for October 8, with more discussions on the size of the Premier Division planned. Representatives of underage teams in Kerry, Cavan/Monaghan, Kildare, Carlow/Kilkenny and Mayo will be invited as there are hopes these areas might be interested in fielding senior teams in the future." |
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J89
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Because they only wanted in to the underage leagues. They also refused a clubs from Limerick, Tipperary and Cork from joining the underage leagues and told go partner up with your nearest senior team.
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AnCearrbhach
Liam Brady Joined: 26 Mar 2012 Location: Turners Cross Status: Offline Points: 2045 |
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I don't think so, they already kicked back a few DDSL clubs from trying to join the underage leagues so they seem to at least be aware that we've reached Dublin saturation, arguably surpassed it.
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Aithníonn ciaróg ciaróg eile.
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J89
Ray Houghton Joined: 25 Mar 2018 Status: Offline Points: 3584 |
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Which is what it's gonna be and imo I doubt there'll be a 3rd tier anyway .
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AnCearrbhach
Liam Brady Joined: 26 Mar 2012 Location: Turners Cross Status: Offline Points: 2045 |
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I think you are over-estimating the level of interest that would be received from the Intermediate Leagues, if you populate Tier 3 with these teams you also have the same problem where all the teams are already in overpopulated LOI cachement areas. It also doesn't do much to serve the problem of players falling away after 19s or the desire of the top teams to have a B side. I think the best way to manage this to mandate that every side currently in the underage league has to put in a senior side. On top of this any Junior/Inter side which applies to join will gain access to the national underage leagues (a semi-decent geographical spread should be the target here not Tier 3 full of top DDSl clubs). Finally the opt-in B teams for clubs who wish to join. If you got 16 viable teams out of that bunch that would be an incredible start. Split then north/south and have a short season to begin with. Like with the A Championship no reserve side should be allowed promotion. Have a decent play off system with the winner playing the bottom side in the first Division. The long-term aim should be that 1.5 teams are relegated from the first annually.
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Aithníonn ciaróg ciaróg eile.
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CillDara
Davey Langan Joined: 08 Aug 2011 Location: Kildare Status: Offline Points: 761 |
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Regional divisions would make the most sense but I can't see it happening as the likes of the LSL and MSL would never roll over and be replaced that easily. The only thing now is that maybe some of the major schoolboy clubs would be tempted to enter a national league if it gave them access to having teams in the national underage leagues.
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J89
Ray Houghton Joined: 25 Mar 2018 Status: Offline Points: 3584 |
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You say that now but if they don't win the league they don't get champions league football and their money for Europe drops quite a bit and if they don't sell on players like they did last season that's less money. There off field costs went up this season and to compete with Dundalk they'll need all funds focused on the senior team. What you need is to get the regional senior leagues into the LOI system as a third tier, in time and if the money within LOI improves you can add a new tier and stick it inbetween regional leagues and first Divison. So you start off with: Premier Divison (tier 1) #direct promotion/relegation and play-off between these tiers First Divison (tier 2) #just a play-off between these tiers Regional leagues (tier 3) (consists of Munster, Leinster, Ulster, Connaught) New company is being set up in 2020 to run the league and after its first 3 years of being set up and they increase the money available for league of ireland clubs they can think about adding a fourth tier and set up like this. Premier Divison (tier 1) #direct promotion/relegation and play-off between these tiers First Divison (tier 2) #direct promotion/relegation and play-off between these tiers Second Divison (tier 3) #just a play-off between these tiers Regional leagues (tier 4) (consists of Munster, Leinster, Ulster, Connaught) The new second Divison (tier 3) can be made of teams who've played in the previous tier 3 (regional leagues) for the first 3 and want to progress up the leagues. Need to walk before you can run and if you tack another ten team league on and it goes bust you're back to square one which will happen if you don't have more money and clubs pull out to go back to their regional senior league.
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pre Madonna
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Then they shouldn't be allowed to join. City can afford two teams though, there would be more people at City's reserve games than any other first division team. Every time I used to go and watch Ramblers I recognised a lot of the crowd from the Cross. Play the games on a Sunday and they would pay their way.Personally, I wouldn't like 'B' teams in the league proper. I would prefer the playoffs to be for clubs who want to progress though.
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J89
Ray Houghton Joined: 25 Mar 2018 Status: Offline Points: 3584 |
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Hopefully every team that joins the league has ambition for promotion but you'll have some B teams in the league and what if Corks B team wins the league and enters the First Divison but pulls out mid season or at the end of the season because of the costs. If it was me the third tier would be made up of four regional leagues with the four winners playing off for the chance to play for a spot in the first Divison. Can barely keep some of the 20 clubs we have now in business so adding another league of ten teams in a carbon copy league with direct promotion will probably fail. You're still putting a pyramid system in place just not with direct promotion from the new third tier into the second tier like they do in Scotland with the winners of the highland league and lowland playing off and the winner plays the team that finishes bottom of league 2 in Scotland.
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pre Madonna
Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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The incredibly high entrance fees should be used to help any promoted team bed in. Also, no team should be allowed entrance to this new division without an interest in accepting promotion.A pyramid system is vital for Irish football, it must be implemented.
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J89
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Think it will be more the winners of the play off will play off against the bottom first Divison club. Don't think they'll have direct promotion from the league incase you end up with someone like a B team from one of the premier teams or the likes of Kerry and Monaghan/Cavan win the league. Might even be someone like UCC if they win or UCD LSL team they might be able to afford the affiliation fees and higher match fees along with the added travel.
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nvidic
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Agree with that, four provincial winners could go into play offs to go up. There's no way they'll get decent teams together if lads have to travel the country every two weeks for just expenses. Especially as you'd imagine it will be mainly regional teams filling the spots.
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