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I'll raise you Jimmy Saville!
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Cabra Hoop
Roy Keane Joined: 06 Feb 2012 Location: Royal County Status: Offline Points: 10781 |
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" BFC always gives me a laugh........ "
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Robbie Keane YBIG Minister of Doom & Gloom Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Irish Riviera Status: Online Points: 39505 |
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Anyone see the video of Keane interrupting Souness today? Jesus he wouldn't let Souness speak and kept shouting him down.
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Fitz
Liam Brady Joined: 12 Oct 2011 Location: Oileán Ciarraí Status: Offline Points: 2654 |
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Do yourself a favour, Einstein, and read my post again because you’ve got it arse-ways.
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Fitz
Liam Brady Joined: 12 Oct 2011 Location: Oileán Ciarraí Status: Offline Points: 2654 |
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I agree to a certain extent re: Mick but he was never going to be able to win with Keane who was disrespectful from the off and did all he could to undermine his manager and his teammates - when ye tried that at United he got the boot.
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Fitz
Liam Brady Joined: 12 Oct 2011 Location: Oileán Ciarraí Status: Offline Points: 2654 |
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You’re leaving out quite a bit there regarding what happened in the build-up to that incident.
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Fitz
Liam Brady Joined: 12 Oct 2011 Location: Oileán Ciarraí Status: Offline Points: 2654 |
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Great post. Add to that the fact that Keane had a drink problem and it was reported that he was struggling at the time - I even saw a tweet/post by Declan Lynch recently commenting on how that was common-knowledge amongst Irish football journalists. Keane’s performance and body-language in the Nigerian friendly (the day before they left) was noticeably poor.
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Fitz
Liam Brady Joined: 12 Oct 2011 Location: Oileán Ciarraí Status: Offline Points: 2654 |
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Lol, there’d be a very clear winner in a ‘battle of egos’ between those two 😏
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Cabra Hoop
Roy Keane Joined: 06 Feb 2012 Location: Royal County Status: Offline Points: 10781 |
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Mick challenged Keane over not playing against Iran presumably because he felt Keane was needed to get us there. When we did qualify and McCarthy had achieved his place in history as only the second man to manage us at the WC after Jack did he feel he could push Keane into a corner. McCarthy needed Keane to achieve success a lot more than Keane needed McCarthy, and they both knew it.
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" BFC always gives me a laugh........ "
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Baldrick
Robbie Keane Peyton-tly Pedantic Joined: 18 Sep 2008 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 32517 |
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micks job is not to be a nice guy or a decent man. His job was to get the best football team on the pitch and prepare the team as well as possible. He failed on both of these. Keane was a prick. Many players are l. Mbappe is. Mick is good working with average players who are nice guys. But you don’t win things with a team of nice guys. You need to be able to manage ****s who are world class too. Mick couldn’t and he couldn’t manage up either. He was a nice guy with the FAI also. You need to put pressure on your boss too and manage up effectively.
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Fitz
Liam Brady Joined: 12 Oct 2011 Location: Oileán Ciarraí Status: Offline Points: 2654 |
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That still doesn’t justify Keane’s carry-on, high up or lie down. And Keane’s ego was, and still is, far far bigger - and more brittle - than Mick’s would ever be tbf. He’s a total narcissistic with very little self-awareness.
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Baldrick
Robbie Keane Peyton-tly Pedantic Joined: 18 Sep 2008 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 32517 |
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Fitz you know it’s possible to say that Keane was at fault and that Mick failed also.
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Fitz
Liam Brady Joined: 12 Oct 2011 Location: Oileán Ciarraí Status: Offline Points: 2654 |
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And Keane’s behaviour was that of a world-class player, was it? A world-class player would’ve publicly slated his manager and team-mates on the eve of a World Cup, would they?
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Robbie Keane YBIG Minister of Doom & Gloom Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Irish Riviera Status: Online Points: 39505 |
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He let lots of bad behaviour and lack of respect from Keane slide. Enough was enough. Keane was confronted by Ferguson for sl*gging off his team mates and Keane was f**ked out of United. Exactly the same as Ireland. Ronaldo sl*gged off the manager and team mates in the interview last week and has also been f**ked out of United. Once you go public disrespecting the manager you deserve and will be thrown out by any self respecting manager otherwise you lose all respect fromt he other players.
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Liam Brady Joined: 12 Oct 2011 Location: Oileán Ciarraí Status: Offline Points: 2654 |
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It is. IMHO Mick made mistakes but Keane’s behaviour before the confrontation - and, indeed, often throughout Mick’s reign was completely out of order - and therefore most of the blame lies with Keane. You mentioned egos - nobody could, with any degree of fairness or rationality - realistically claim that Mick’s ego is bigger than Keane’s. That’s a ludicrous notion tbh and Keane’s behaviour at the end of his United career clearly demonstrates that. He was bigger than Mick; bigger than Ireland; bigger than United. Everyone’s fault but his own.
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Robbie Keane YBIG Minister of Doom & Gloom Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Irish Riviera Status: Online Points: 39505 |
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Eveyone says Mick should have taken him aside on the quiet. How would that have solved anything? Keane would have f**ked Mick out of it in person as is his way and Mick would still have sent him home. Keane only wanted an excuse to unleash all his bitter hatred towards him. Ok, say it worked and some sort of truce was agreed, Keane had still sl*gged off the team and the clubs they played for. There would have been resentment from the other players towards Keane and Roy was never going to say ''Sorry lads I was out of line there''. So that resentment and ill feeling would have been let fester and it would have come out on the pitch and in fighting would have occurred in now time. It would have had a detrimental impact on team spirit and performance.
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Why, did something happen?
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Baldrick
Robbie Keane Peyton-tly Pedantic Joined: 18 Sep 2008 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 32517 |
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No Keane’s behaviour was shocking. But that doesn’t mean Mick should get a free pass and not be called out for appalling management of a prized asset. You don’t poke the bear when the bear is key to your hopes of success. Would deschamps be doing a good job if he had a run in with mbappe if he was acting the ****.
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