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tetsujin1979
Ray Houghton Joined: 22 Jan 2009 Status: Offline Points: 4103 |
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The squad were told about this before Niall Quinn's testimonial against Sunderland. Keane wasn't there because he was getting treatment on an injury
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Davey Langan Joined: 12 Apr 2011 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 935 |
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Mick was 100% right. That was my opinion in 2002 and it’s still my opinion. Keane didn’t want to be there and found his excuse to get out of it. Who I felt sorry for were the likes of Duff, Robbie Keane and the other young players.
Ian Harte had his worst four games ever in an Ireland jersey at that World Cup and I remember an interview with Gary Kelly where he said Harte was totally rattled by the whole episode. Speaking of Gary Kelly, he was the player that stood up and spoke first in support of Mick after the row erupted that night. Every other player rowed in fairly quickly. You can be sure that Keane wanted others to back him up when it all kicked off, the fact that nobody did ends the debate for me. To have 22 other players totally back the manager is enough. Before anyone says they weren’t going to go against Mick, Mick Byrne said that if players approached Mick McCarthy and said Keane was right and they wanted him back then they would have found a solution. The players of course wanted Keane there, but on the pitch only. He would have been a malignant presence in the squad throughout the tournament.
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Baldrick
Robbie Keane Peyton-tly Pedantic Joined: 18 Sep 2008 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 32516 |
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You have hit the nail on the head. The manager should have been pissed off. Why was he not. Why did he accept the shambolic setup. Why was he not on top of the detail and asking the pertinent questions weeks ago ie what is the pitch like. If we were not there to train why were we training. Easy to say it’s about golf and bonding and drinking but if you are training the pitch should be at least safe and up to standard. No balls and bibs and gear is laughable and mick should have been furious. I have never once heard him come out and express his annoyance and the shambolic preparations. That does not excuse Keane’s actions. Keane was bang out of order but Mick also had a massive failure of management. Only those blinkered into hating Keane can’t see that. |
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Fruice
Liam Brady Joined: 22 Nov 2014 Location: Cork Status: Offline Points: 1257 |
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Couldn’t have put it better myself
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Robbie Keane YBIG Minister of Doom & Gloom Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Irish Riviera Status: Online Points: 39498 |
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I don't know. Maybe he was but just thought no point in kicking off about it as there was nothing he could do at that point and just get on with it with. |
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Baldrick
Robbie Keane Peyton-tly Pedantic Joined: 18 Sep 2008 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 32516 |
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Are those the thoughts of an excellent manager or a nice guy.
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Baldrick
Robbie Keane Peyton-tly Pedantic Joined: 18 Sep 2008 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 32516 |
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The same way he did Feic all about the training setup in Dublin out at the airport and the situation on planes. Mick accepted sub standard conditions for years from the fai and he never publicly supported Keane when he was forced to fight for it along with other players. If I have a member of staff pushing up and driving standard I don’t think they are above their station. That’s what they are meant to do. Managing up is a skill too and Keane didn’t have it as he was abrasive and mick didn’t have it as he was too nice.
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Robbie Keane YBIG Minister of Doom & Gloom Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Irish Riviera Status: Online Points: 39498 |
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Yeah he definitely should have been better. He was old school from Jack's era. His attention to detail was not there and was a blind spot of his. No other player kicked up a fuss though except Keane. No other player complained to the manager. Keane's ego went out of control and started to think he was the manager and that everyone should all do what he wants. He would then go on to do the same at Utd 3 years later. He got way too big for his boots.
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Fully agree with this.
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l hear you are a racist now, father ?
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Robbie Keane YBIG Minister of Doom & Gloom Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Irish Riviera Status: Online Points: 39498 |
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I think Roy also got the hump when he wanted to bring in some strength and fitness coach and Mick said no. The team had their own staff.
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Baldrick
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what a prick coming up with good ideas. What team would want that 😀😀😀 ffs the fai employed Noel king for years and jacks son 😀😀
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Robbie Keane YBIG Minister of Doom & Gloom Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Irish Riviera Status: Online Points: 39498 |
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Roy's not the manager. The manager picks his own coaching staff. Roy was acting like a player-manager trying to run the team. As Fergie said he was assuming managerial responsibilites
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Robbie Keane Peyton-tly Pedantic Joined: 18 Sep 2008 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 32516 |
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So an employee suggesting an excellent person who could could improve the prep of the squad is him Trying to be the manager. Jesus Christ trap. People all the time in all lines of work suggest ways of improving to their manager. At least the good staff do. It should be welcomed and a confident manager does welcome it.
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Healy52003
Liam Brady Joined: 02 Dec 2015 Status: Offline Points: 1991 |
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Was only 12 for that world cup but this 'we would of won it if Roy was there' is really a load of bollocks and never would of happened
Remember seeing the Germany game in the primary school hall, the Cameroon game was the morning of my confirmation and the Spain game was a dinner time kickoff on a Sunday I'm not sure who was right but I do think it should of been different. The rest of the management team should of made Roy and Mick go into a room and f**k each other out of it sorting out the issues in the process. The rest of the squad could maybe of spoken up more. Roy did act a bit rash and can understand why people were pissed off at him. You represent your country in honour and this was at the biggest stage
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Robbie Keane YBIG Minister of Doom & Gloom Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Irish Riviera Status: Online Points: 39498 |
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Its undermining the manager. This is not a David Brent group think. In football one man should call the shots and that's it.
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SeanC
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as you were a kid you might not have realised the momentum we built up in that tournament. Deservedly drawing with Germany, the better team against Spain with the winners playing SKorea for a place in the semi. We had a savage opportunity, and showed we were as good as the elite teams there. Hard to believe based on our current standing but we were superb. Mick had us playing great stuff. With Roy in the team who knows what was possible. Btw a lot of young guys may not realise how good some of our low key players were…Gary Breen, Cunningham, Matt Holland etc not to mention how good our better known players were…Duff, Quinn & Keano were in attack. V fond memories. I remember ringing my Dad when I heard Keane was leaving and watching the games with him as we started to roll…reminds us all why we would love another successful team…
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Liam Brady Joined: 25 Aug 2021 Status: Offline Points: 1028 |
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The real tragedy of Saipan was the shadow it cast on.a very talented young squad. We didn't qualify for anything for 10 years and by then they were psst it.
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Baldrick
Robbie Keane Peyton-tly Pedantic Joined: 18 Sep 2008 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 32516 |
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I guarantee Southgate had Kane fully in the loop on all the prep work ahead of the World Cup. Neville confirmed he was part of a leadership group that was involved in the decisions around where they stayed during the World Cup etc etc.
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