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Originally posted by Newryrep Newryrep wrote:

Hi Martin


The North have done well for themselves but the qualifying draws have been very good to them lately. If we look at the performance of Germany, when we've both recently had them in qualifying, we can see the type of quality on offer.

I'm all for bashing O'Neill, but bash him for the right reasons.


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Performance of Germany


(Republic of Ireland Euro qualifying group)

aggregate scores:

Germany drew 3-3 v Poland
Germany lost 2-1 v Ireland
Germany won  5-3 v Scotland
Germany won  4-1 v Georgia
Germany won  11-0 v Gibraltar


Ireland finished 4 points behind Germany

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(Northern Ireland World Cup qualifying group)

aggregate scores:

Germany won  5-1 v Northern Ireland
Germany won  5-1 v Czech Republic
Germany won  9-0 v Norway
Germany won  9-2 v Azerbaijan
Germany won 15-0 v San Marino


Northern Ireland finished 11 points behind Germany

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Originally posted by Terzino Terzino wrote:

The North were poor at the Euros. They played well in one game against the Ukraine, who were the worst team in the whole tournament. 

They lost to teams we have beaten, such as Germany and Wales, in games that were dire. Only that awful Polish forward prevented them from getting an absolute hammering in their other game.

We on the other hand had three good games. That's what we need to get back to. The kind of form we showed against Sweden, Italy and France. 
 
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The North were poor at the Euros. They played well in one game against the Ukraine, who were the worst team in the whole tournament. 

They lost to teams we have beaten, such as Germany and Wales, in games that were dire. Only that awful Polish forward prevented them from getting an absolute hammering in their other game.

We on the other hand had three good games. That's what we need to get back to. The kind of form we showed against Sweden, Italy and France. 
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Originally posted by John Wick John Wick wrote:



I don't think the post was meant to reflect who has the better players.....which you pointed out we do. The north being in a better place than us means they have a management team that believes in them and what they are trying to do... They also have a system,they play ball but also mix it up. Very effectively to.
 We have non of those things and won't under the current regime. MON has clearly no ideas and NOW has to motivate the squad with. Cry

In fairness, I did mention what Michael O'Neill gets out of a very limited group of players. And that he has understood the strengths of the team, and how to win matches, or at least draw them. Its a remarkable job he has done, under the circumstances, and unlike MON has topped a group, and come second in a very competitive one. You can only beat what is in front of you, and Michael O'Neill's team is in the habit of doing that, and rarely capitulating. 

I totally agree that our current system lacks any ingenuity. As I said yesterday, we had one foot in the finals thanks to a route one goal against Austria, a combination of a refereeing mess-up and the Georgian keepers indecision, Ashley Williams' brainfart, and Kasper Schmeichel's mistake. Jeff Hendrick's bobbled opener also springs to mind, while both Serbia and Wales had men sent off at Lansdowne. Kevin Long's disallowed goal against Austria, and Coleman's injury aside, we had much of the luck running with us, and dumb luck brought us as far as it could. We cannot avoid attacking play, and being beaten by Serbia was no reason to kybosh it totally. But MON seems unwilling to change this approach, and even with very limited players, it isnt good enough.
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Originally posted by Newryrep Newryrep wrote:

Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:


Funnily I actually like the idea of us getting revenge on Denmark, while the Welsh will be bitter and dying to get one over us. (When are they not?)
 
 
Remind me again our record of getting 'revenge' against teams who done us wrong  , France - nope Switzerland - nope etc

I don't actually think we'll get revenge on them, I just think it sets the games up a little better than some of the drabber Nations League ties.

Whatever about the concept being boring, imagine how underwhelming it would be to be drawn against some non-offensive bunch like Bosnia or Slovakia.

The Danes literally took the piss out of us by letting Bendtner taking that penalty, at least we can hope for revenge until we ultimately surrender four points to them. 
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Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:


Funnily I actually like the idea of us getting revenge on Denmark, while the Welsh will be bitter and dying to get one over us. (When are they not?)
 
 
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Originally posted by John Wick John Wick wrote:



You've totally missed the point.

How so? I have extracted a portion of the post and responded to it.
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Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:


N.I. are in a better place and in better shape than us I'm sorry to say. Cry


The sad thing is, on paper, they really are not. They're most recent squad contained a handful of PL players, and most of the rest were spread across League 1 and 2, and in some cases in fairly irrelevant teams, as far as the success shake up was concerned. But Michael knows how to coral these individuals and play to the collective strength of the team. Collectively, we have expected the wheels to come off much earlier for NI, but they came within a whisker of making it to the World Cup, while we were ultimately buried by a Lord Bedtner penalty, on our home patch. Their results this season have maintained a reason to be positive, while our performances look like much of the same.

How many of our players would break into the current NI setup? Loads and loads would. I couldnt imagine them turning down Coleman, Duffy, Rice, McCarthy, Hendrick, Long, Brady, or Randolph to name but a few. But the way they play, they dont seem to need them. They have continued to pick up points and results, which may not be as glamorous as our wins against Germany, Italy, Bosnia and Wales, but they seem much more consistent in what they do. And they show that even with ostensibly limited players, you can achieve quite a bit.
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They could beat Brazil 7-0 in a World Cup final, they will still be called a pub team. It has nothing to do with quality, far more to do with what they represent and it is neither a club nor a country!
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Originally posted by FREEWHEELER FREEWHEELER wrote:

GD, I was gonna mention Michael O'Neill so well done on doing so.  There is so much disdain/condescencion about the NOrdies on this site for various reasons.  What can't be argued is Michael is a very intelligent manager whose team functions perfectly well with lower league players and he doesn't resort to the primitive/directionless/opt out football we currently watch under Martin O'Neill.
And to think we often refer to them as The Pub Team.  I've been watching some of their games and at times, they've been playing much better and more composed football than we've managed. Indeed, we're the ones looking like a pub team...consisting of players that have only just met! No harm to anyone but that really should not be happening at international level, among professional footballers. Unhappy 
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Originally posted by FREEWHEELER FREEWHEELER wrote:

GD, I was gonna mention Michael O'Neill so well done on doing so.  There is so much disdain/condescencion about the NOrdies on this site for various reasons.  What can't be argued is Michael is a very intelligent manager whose team functions perfectly well with lower league players and he doesn't resort to the primitive/directionless/opt out football we currently watch under Martin O'Neill.

In fairness I don't think anyone has knocked N.I.'s and Michael O'Neill's achievements irrespective of any antipathy towards N.I. Michael O'Neill along with Brian Kerr is one of the best analysts on tv. 

N.I. are in a better place and in better shape than us I'm sorry to say. Cry

Denmark has been hugely damaging psychologically and we badly need a decent showing in the Nations League. Relegation albeit in the Nations League will be a right kick in bollocks going into the qualifying draw in December. I've a feeling and a bit of hope that O'Neill will have the players up for it and it mightened be quite as bad as we think it's going to be. 
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Take a look at the Iceland squad. Not many playing in the top leagues. And very few house hold names.

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GD, I was gonna mention Michael O'Neill so well done on doing so.  There is so much disdain/condescencion about the NOrdies on this site for various reasons.  What can't be argued is Michael is a very intelligent manager whose team functions perfectly well with lower league players and he doesn't resort to the primitive/directionless/opt out football we currently watch under Martin O'Neill.
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Originally posted by Green Devil Green Devil wrote:

Originally posted by kevincronin2000 kevincronin2000 wrote:

Originally posted by FREEWHEELER FREEWHEELER wrote:

6 goals in 10 games is horrendous by any standards.
 
I remember when coonts (not too many on here I hasten to add, merely other arseholes who were going to Ireland games) were slating Robbie Keane and we told the coonts they'll rue the day he retires.

And only 1 of those goals came from open play, ( away in Wales) set piece and long balls for the others according to today's Indo also 3 of those goals against Moldova

I got my old team to try this set piece scenario in training, imagine Martin O'Neill coming up with something like this............

Michael O'Neill is absolutely miles ahead of him in terms of coaching and tactically.


Seems like that's all we can do...ie imagine. Angry
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Originally posted by ShamtheRam ShamtheRam wrote:

Granted it was less than impressive stuff on Monday but I don't think we did too bad considering we were a squad essentially down to the bare bones against a team who had their best 23 available and are amongst the favourites for the World Cup.
 
I understand people have expectations of how the team should perform but some people need a dose of reality considering the players we had available.
 
 

We've played like that for the last 18 months even with our "best" team. Whether France or Georgia. Same non existent game plan. 

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