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Devrozex
Jack Charlton Joined: 23 Oct 2010 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 7671 |
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Big time. I've watched the last three televised debates and this has stuck out like a sore thumb. If you were in any way on the fence about the issue the constant, and blatant, dodging of this question must surely have an impact.
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MC Hammered
Jack Charlton Joined: 05 Oct 2011 Status: Online Points: 6833 |
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Jaysis Muff, your pals are regarded as prehistoric monsters by the ladies and they are still getting better results than you.
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El Puto Amo
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sid waddell
Roy Keane On a dark desert highway Joined: 20 Nov 2009 Status: Offline Points: 12173 |
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https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/amendment-limiting-abortion-to-rape-cases-unworkable-say-former-ags-1.3495785 The wording of Article 40.3.3 is: The state acknowledges the right to life of the unborn and, with due regard to the equal right to life of the mother, guarantees in its laws to respect, and as far as practicable, by its laws to defend and vindicate that right.’ It should be obvious that you cannot reword that to take account of "hard cases" such as rape, incest and fatal foetal abnormality - because there then would no longer be an equal right to life. Such a contitutional provision will always be blunt and create hard cases, because pregnancy is a unique circumstance where one life is entirely dependent on on the other. The whole point of the Eighth Amendment was that it was blunt and generalised across the board. It was specifically designed NOT to take account of hard cases and the obvious implication of it when it was introdued was that it would directly create hard cases. Even the Eighth Amendment itself has been picked apart around the edges by the Supreme Court over the years - it orgininally included a ban on travel - that was obliterated by the X Case and the subsequent referendum which specifically enshrined a right to an abortion - just not in this country. Roche v Roche (2009) established that frozen embryos had no right to life. Then the Ms. P case in 2014 established that a brain dead pregnant woman should be allowed to die rather than be used as a vessel. Any attempted "rewording" to deal with "hard cases" would quickly be picked apart in the Supreme Court. Also, it would be highly undesirable to put a woman effectively on trial in order to obtain an abortion. We have a chance to cut out the Brexit-style bullsh*t and get this right, now. The only way hard cases can be legislated for is by obliterating the Eighth Amendment and bringing in the proposed legislation. We need as a country to grow the fook up and vote Yes. |
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irishmufc
Robbie Keane I love Vulvas Joined: 09 Aug 2011 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 24975 |
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Cos he's sound and great in the sack . We both know this lad and you'd probably be surprised he's a no voter
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Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.
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Bob Hoskins
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Or agreeing to stay out of Westport for fear of picking up some of the local weirdness. One of which is been a rampant Dub masquerading as a Mayo fan
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Romario 2016: And the ticket mafia gets caught! Well, four years ago I had already told the government.
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horsebox
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How do you know he's great in the sack? |
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It was far across the sea,
When the devil got a hold of me, He wouldn't set me free, So he kept me soul for ransom. na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na. I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to |
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Fly
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Nope, I'm not religious.
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Het-field
Roy Keane By Appointment to His Majesty The King Joined: 08 Mar 2016 Status: Offline Points: 10345 |
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The thing is, you don't really need to legislate to manage the "hard cases". By removing the 8th you open up the system to permit termination in the event of the "hard cases" as the life of the mother is clearly at risk. An interesting fact I learned is that abortion is actually not decriminalised in the UK (in open to correction) But the extent to which it is treated as a private medical issue is so wide that in practice it is not illegal nor would anybody be prosecuted for it. In fact, all you would need is to repeal the disparate laws which relate to abortion, along with the repeal of the 8th Amendment and it's solved as far as the hard cases go. The fact that this referendum has come with proposals for legislation has made it a more difficult referendum.
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lassassinblanc
Paul McGrath Cheese, it’s not just for eating Joined: 27 Sep 2010 Location: Clairefontaine Status: Offline Points: 16423 |
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I think that answers the question |
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OohAah...
Ray Houghton Joined: 09 Apr 2011 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 3119 |
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Don't let my introduction detract from the contents of the article I shared. |
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Shedite
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So yes, it is definitely possible to amend the constitution. A Yes vote will do that
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Shedite
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All the Yes campaign arguments are around the 1% The no campaign arguments are around the 99% On one hand, sense says you legislate around the majority of cases, not to make rules for the 1%, but on the other hand, most laws in the constitution protect the 1% (murder, divorce etc). It's a tricky one
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cm79
Liam Brady Cawhil cattle caaaaal Joined: 29 Apr 2012 Location: phibsboro Status: Offline Points: 2471 |
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I'm just after seeing the clip with Ronan Mullen, what a vile scumbag he is.
He has probably turned people who were undecided about how they would vote to Yes voters.
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benboview
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I don't get what the problem is? |
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cm79
Liam Brady Cawhil cattle caaaaal Joined: 29 Apr 2012 Location: phibsboro Status: Offline Points: 2471 |
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Have you watched the clip?
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benboview
Kevin Kilbane Joined: 16 Nov 2012 Status: Offline Points: 326 |
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Yes I was watching it last night.
It was more awkward than anything. |
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bhob
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Condemning a woman who'd had an abortion. You don't see what's wrong with that? A woman who talks about the heartache, pain and suffering she went through because of the process. You don't see how his comment was bang out of order?
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FREEWHEELER
Robbie Keane sPICE UP YOUR LIFE Gwan MONROY Joined: 29 Mar 2007 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 24595 |
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We'll never die, we'll never die, we'll keep the Green Flag flying high......Shamrock Rovers will never die, we'll keep the Green Flag Flying high. 19 Leagues and 25 Cups.....
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