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Poll Question: Will you vote to Repeal the 8th amendment?
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Originally posted by randyrandolph randyrandolph wrote:

Originally posted by bhob bhob wrote:

I see the people who voted no above haven't been brave enough to post as to their reasoning why, pity really.
 
I can't vote on this but am 100% voting repeal the 8th.

i think silly comments like this is why many silent "no" voters wont engage in a debate...

 
I honestly cannot see how you could vote no and not be a 'wacko' of some sort. Can anybody explain to me how they could rationalise voting no?
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Originally posted by bhob bhob wrote:

I see the people who voted no above haven't been brave enough to post as to their reasoning why, pity really.
They're entitled to take the 5th LOL
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http://www.irishnews.com/paywall/tsb/irishnews/irishnews/irishnews//news/2018/03/28/news/tyrone-gaa-manger-mickey-harte-backs-no-vote-ahead-of-abortion-referendum-in-republic-1289344/content.html
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Can't read the full article but I assume it can be summed up as 'GAA man in being backwards shocker'.
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by randyrandolph randyrandolph wrote:

Originally posted by bhob bhob wrote:

I see the people who voted no above haven't been brave enough to post as to their reasoning why, pity really.
 
I can't vote on this but am 100% voting repeal the 8th.

i think silly comments like this is why many silent "no" voters wont engage in a debate...

 
I honestly cannot see how you could vote no and not be a 'wacko' of some sort. Can anybody explain to me how they could rationalise voting no?

do you really not understand why someone would choose not engage with this??? 

additionally, how could you debate this issue with someone who has f*** the pope in their signature.


 


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Originally posted by Gary McKay Gary McKay wrote:

Originally posted by bhob bhob wrote:

I see the people who voted no above haven't been brave enough to post as to their reasoning why, pity really.
They're entitled to take the 5th LOL

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Surely people can put forward their point of view, if it's reasonable. The latter is presumably the problem.
 
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Originally posted by randyrandolph randyrandolph wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by randyrandolph randyrandolph wrote:

Originally posted by bhob bhob wrote:

I see the people who voted no above haven't been brave enough to post as to their reasoning why, pity really.
 
I can't vote on this but am 100% voting repeal the 8th.

i think silly comments like this is why many silent "no" voters wont engage in a debate...

 
I honestly cannot see how you could vote no and not be a 'wacko' of some sort. Can anybody explain to me how they could rationalise voting no?

do you really not understand why someone would choose not engage with this??? 

additionally, how could you debate this issue with someone who has f*** the pope in their signature.


 



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Originally posted by randyrandolph randyrandolph wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by randyrandolph randyrandolph wrote:

Originally posted by bhob bhob wrote:

I see the people who voted no above haven't been brave enough to post as to their reasoning why, pity really.
 
I can't vote on this but am 100% voting repeal the 8th.

i think silly comments like this is why many silent "no" voters wont engage in a debate...

 
I honestly cannot see how you could vote no and not be a 'wacko' of some sort. Can anybody explain to me how they could rationalise voting no?

do you really not understand why someone would choose not engage with this??? 

additionally, how could you debate this issue with someone who has f*** the pope in their signature.

 
Can you explain why you think my comment is silly?
 
 
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I will vote yes but I do think there should be restrictions.

In cases where the child or mother's lives are in danger, in cases of rape/incest etc it 100% gets my backing.

But I don't agree in abortions in cases where a woman / couple feel they just don't want to have a baby and have it aborted, if people are stupid enough to not practice safe sex then they shouldn't be allowed have an abortion in my opinion, I know a few people that have done this and think it's a disgrace.
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Originally posted by BigPodge BigPodge wrote:

But I don't agree in abortions in cases where a woman / couple feel they just don't want to have a baby and have it aborted, if people are stupid enough to not practice safe sex then they shouldn't be allowed have an abortion in my opinion, I know a few people that have done this and think it's a disgrace.
Yeah that's the only thing that's making me question it really.

I suppose the counter is that:
1. Those people travel to England anyway so you're just removing a journey
2. I imagine the abortion procedure is fairly nasty so it's not like people are going to use this as a contraceptive
3. Major generalization here, but I'd imagine some of the people who get pregnant young by accident and would now avail of abortion are probably from disadvantaged backgrounds, the types whose kids will end up "having a tough upbringing" and ending up in front of a judge at some point with 300+ convictions on their record. It might help with a bit of natural selection.

I'm sure there's a nicer way of saying that last point.
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Originally posted by BigPodge BigPodge wrote:

I will vote yes but I do think there should be restrictions.

In cases where the child or mother's lives are in danger, in cases of rape/incest etc it 100% gets my backing.

But I don't agree in abortions in cases where a woman / couple feel they just don't want to have a baby and have it aborted, if people are stupid enough to not practice safe sex then they shouldn't be allowed have an abortion in my opinion, I know a few people that have done this and think it's a disgrace.




100% agree
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Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

Originally posted by BigPodge BigPodge wrote:

But I don't agree in abortions in cases where a woman / couple feel they just don't want to have a baby and have it aborted, if people are stupid enough to not practice safe sex then they shouldn't be allowed have an abortion in my opinion, I know a few people that have done this and think it's a disgrace.
Yeah that's the only thing that's making me question it really.

I suppose the counter is that:
1. Those people travel to England anyway so you're just removing a journey
 
 
Michael O'Leary will be voting No then.
 
 
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Originally posted by bhob bhob wrote:

Originally posted by randyrandolph randyrandolph wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by randyrandolph randyrandolph wrote:

Originally posted by bhob bhob wrote:

I see the people who voted no above haven't been brave enough to post as to their reasoning why, pity really.
 
I can't vote on this but am 100% voting repeal the 8th.

i think silly comments like this is why many silent "no" voters wont engage in a debate...

 
I honestly cannot see how you could vote no and not be a 'wacko' of some sort. Can anybody explain to me how they could rationalise voting no?

do you really not understand why someone would choose not engage with this??? 

additionally, how could you debate this issue with someone who has f*** the pope in their signature.

 
Can you explain why you think my comment is silly?
 
 

because your targeting people who have voted no by immediately questioning their "bravery" - ffs  are you unable to see how can could be taken as antagonistic. 

People might vote in a way you don't like for a number of reasons.  Healthy debate is good. in fact it should be your ultimate aim if you want to change their opinion on the question. calling them wacko's doesn't encourage debate. this comment is not just about the abortion question. it's about all debate. I've probably been guilty of this myself. the brexit referendum was a classic example of this. If you voted leave you were a racist so many leave voters kept quiet, and still voted leave...
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But there were many reasons to vote leave, rightly or wrongly. The problem with that campaign, on both sides, was that it became about immigration.
I still haven't heard a genuine reason for voting no and people who may be leaning towards voting no are refusing to give a reason because they are afraid, before expressing them, that their views will be sneered at, which suggests that those views are irrational.
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

But there were many reasons to vote leave, rightly or wrongly. The problem with that campaign, on both sides, was that it became about immigration.
I still haven't heard a genuine reason for voting no and people who may be leaning towards voting no are refusing to give a reason because they are afraid, before expressing them, that their views will be sneered at, which suggests that those views are irrational.

They might be afraid of giving a reason because before they have had a chance to do so, they are already being labelled as wackos - That's the point !
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Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

But there were many reasons to vote leave, rightly or wrongly. The problem with that campaign, on both sides, was that it became about immigration.
I still haven't heard a genuine reason for voting no and people who may be leaning towards voting no are refusing to give a reason because they are afraid, before expressing them, that their views will be sneered at, which suggests that those views are irrational.

They might be afraid of giving a reason because before they have had a chance to do so, they are already being labelled as wackos - That's the point !

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Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

But there were many reasons to vote leave, rightly or wrongly. The problem with that campaign, on both sides, was that it became about immigration.
I still haven't heard a genuine reason for voting no and people who may be leaning towards voting no are refusing to give a reason because they are afraid, before expressing them, that their views will be sneered at, which suggests that those views are irrational.

They might be afraid of giving a reason because before they have had a chance to do so, they are already being labelled as wackos - That's the point !
It is catch 22 then! The reason they are being so labelled is for not giving a reason! They are essentially labelling themselves.


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