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They seem too afraid to over rule a refereeing decision, unless it’s an offside 

There were two Liverpool players in the box when Milner hit the penalty as well.  
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Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

Liverpool were a bit blessed today. It did look like a penalty in real time, then on the replay you would say it was a bit harsh. 
There was a bit of contact and a tangle, but Mane made a meal of it. 
If it was against Liverpool or Ireland then I’d be well pissed off


It's a definite penalty in my view. I'd fully agree Mane makes a meal of it and it's not nearly enough contact to put him down but at the same it definitely interferes with him playing the ball. That's a foul and therefore a penalty.
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Originally posted by the_walls the_walls wrote:

Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

Liverpool were a bit blessed today. It did look like a penalty in real time, then on the replay you would say it was a bit harsh. 
There was a bit of contact and a tangle, but Mane made a meal of it. 
If it was against Liverpool or Ireland then I’d be well pissed off


It's a definite penalty in my view. I'd fully agree Mane makes a meal of it and it's not nearly enough contact to put him down but at the same it definitely interferes with him playing the ball. That's a foul and therefore a penalty.
I’d agree with that. Contact in the box without getting near the ball is gonna be a peno. And no way will a video official overrule a ref 
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Wasnt a peno IMO. Yes therr was a bit of contact but he took a further touch and then went down. Not every touch has to be a peno. I dont think there was enough contact to award a peno.
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Originally posted by doherty doherty wrote:

Wasnt a peno IMO. Yes therr was a bit of contact but he took a further touch and then went down. Not every touch has to be a peno. I dont think there was enough contact to award a peno.

Agree with this. It’s a contact sport 

Mane clearly waits for the slightest contact and then goes down belatedly 
No penalty 
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Definite penalty, quick thinking by Mane, Leicester defender panics.
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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Agree with this. It’s a contact sport 
Shearer said this last night.
Its actually not.
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Originally posted by Mulvanystrasse Mulvanystrasse wrote:

Definite penalty, quick thinking by Mane, Leicester defender panics.

Quick thinking? He went down in instalments 
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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Originally posted by Mulvanystrasse Mulvanystrasse wrote:

Definite penalty, quick thinking by Mane, Leicester defender panics.

Quick thinking? He went down in instalments 

Quick thinking by Mane to get on the ball and shield it from the Leicester player who panics and makes contact, definite penalty.
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Whether it’s quick thinking to get the ball or not is totally irrelevant for me.
There’s contact yes, but enough to knock a player over? Not a chance. As we saw with Mane staying on his feet for a few seconds and then going down
Not a pen IMO
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Definitely a penalty for Albrighton on Mane. Stupid tackle.
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It's a horrible one for the referee tbf. He knows that Albrighton has a little nick at Mane, he knows Mane makes a meal of falling over. 

Albrighton is stupid to make contact with Mane. You leave yourself open to giving away a penalty. Mane knows the only way he gets the penalty is to fall down after the contact, as even if he was hacked at and stays up he wouldn't get the call.

How about a penalty and a yellow card for Mane for playacting after he was actually fouled? It should happen regularly enough around penalty decisions imo.


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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

VAR is a great idea but unlike in other sports they haven’t a clue how to use it in football 

Rendered pointless
Spot the bitter City fan. 

The penalty call in the Liverpool v Leicester game was correct. 

Elsewhere, the penalty call in the West Ham game was also correct. Traitor handled the ball in his own box and paid the consequences. I'm sure he can spend the next week getting tea and sympathy from his nation's most popular waistcoat, about how unjust he thought it was. 

Bang. Penalty scored. 
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Obviously the Rice handball was a penalty. I didn't see anyone argue otherwise.
 
Mane's, well I've said enough on the actual awarding of that one. So Mane's is a penalty but David Silva v Bournemouth away and Haller at home to Newcastle (I think) for West Ham aren't penalties? Isn't this system supposed to eradicate errors?
And what about the 2 Liverpool players being well inside the box when Milner struck the penalty? How come West Ham were punished for this on the opening game of the season but no one else has been since? Consistency would be nice.
 
Did you watch any of City v D Zagreb in the CL last week? you think VAR was well used there?
Its a total shambles. The problem is they're too afraid to over rule a referee. What do they think the ref is going to do, take his whistle and go home in a huff if he's proven to have got something wrong
 
Calling me a bitter City fan and pointing to the Declan Rice handball, which no one complained about, is a pretty poor argument for VAR
 
 
 
 


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The handball by Traitor at the weekend, flies in the face of the myth put out  there that every defender has carte blanche to handle the ball in the box, with no consequences.

VAR only intervenes when a clear and obvious error has been made. Subjective calls in the EPL, are left to the ref on the field to decide. The referee on the field is responsible for encroachment at penalties by the attacking team. The VAR has only intervened in encroachment by the defending team on one occasion, because the penalty was missed. 

VAR has corrected 15 injustices in the EPL this season, a rate of 1 decision per 5.3 games. 229 goals to date have been perfectly valid from the 230 that have counted. So despite the high bar restrictions, VAR is making a positive difference to a league where cheating and factual errors used to occur on a weekly basis. 
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You're intent on talking about this Rice handball (and ignoring all my other questions) as if it was some sort of controversial decision
 
His arm was above his head and it was a penalty as clear as day.
 
Were you not arguing after Sissoko's penalty call in the CL final that this season if it hits a defender's hand in the box that its a penalty no matter what? I'm pretty sure you and Hans had a summer long debate on it and that was your stance. So how therefore, could Rice's handball not be given?
 
anyway, what about my other points?
 
 
 
 


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They were all covered in the last post. 
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No they weren’t

So did you see the City v Dinamo Zagreb CL highlights last week?

Can you tell me why when a cross came in and a Zagreb defender lifted his hand into an unnatural position and punched the ball away that this wasn’t given as a penalty by the VAR after the referee missed it? Especially after you arguing all summer that Sissoko vs Liverpool in the CL final type incidents will be penalties all day long from now on once it’s touches the arm.
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