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lassassinblanc
Paul McGrath Cheese, it’s not just for eating Joined: 27 Sep 2010 Location: Clairefontaine Status: Online Points: 16463 |
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nvidic
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Think it's a mess myself, not used for clear and obvious decisions half the time, as it is meant to be. Also takes far (var?) too long.
Red card in the Serbia-Austria game the other day was a joke, feels like the ref is pressured into giving the red or penalty once they are asked to look. Cakir is the only ref I've seen not give a decision after being asked to look at it. It will be good, just badly used at the minute.
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pre Madonna
Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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The problem with VAR isn’t VAR itself, it is the lack of clarity in the rules. I am pretty sure I said similar on here when it was first introduced. One referee will see it as handball and another won’t, which is a similar inconsistency to the goalkeeper encroaching at a penalty kick. That’s why you have ten minute debates, when it should’ve thirty seconds at most.
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Roberto Baggio
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The premier league won't be using VAR next season for keepers coming off their lines on penalties. It'll be up to the officials to decide on that
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Trap junior
Robbie Keane YBIG Minister of Doom & Gloom Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Irish Riviera Status: Online Points: 39769 |
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Can we use VAR for VAR decisions?
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BrendanD88
Jack Charlton 99% of my posts are emojis Joined: 29 Mar 2013 Location: Co Down Status: Offline Points: 9991 |
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VAR ruling out a beautiful Italy goal against Belgium last night
Player made to look silly with his celebration. |
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Hans Moleman
Roy Keane Muff: That is a lie and you are a liar Joined: 09 Aug 2012 Status: Offline Points: 10199 |
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I'll stand over my comments on the CL penalty being a mistake, and the VAR rushed it for some reason, and missed the initial touch on Sissokos chest meaning it can't be a penalty. It's been done to death recently. The 2 WC penalties. The ball is clearly in play when Jesus is hacked down by Kompany. Huge mistake that results in Brazil being knocked out. Would you like to look at the replays again and correct your wrong opinion of it? Spain players were rugby tackled when a free kick came into the box, I don't recall any offside. I must look at it again myself. You are hilarious. No matter what VAR give, you say it is correct. You do realise that this isn't a black or white computer system, it's still humans making the final decisions? Humans who are consistently making incorrect football calls with and without the VAR. As Nvidic says it should be a good system but it's a complete mess at the moment. A part of that mess is no doubt to do with some farcical directives regarding the laws of the game as PM mentions. It's a complete farce when you can have 2 similar situations in consecutive matches, 1 given as a penalty - 1 waved away. This exact situation happened in the Nigeria Argentina game at the WC last year when the ball hit Rojo on the arm. No penalty. Exact same situation in the Portugal game earlier that day iirc, penalty given. I presume you believe both of those decisions were correct Planning?
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"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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planning
Ray Houghton Football version of Comical Ali. Joined: 17 Mar 2012 Status: Offline Points: 3836 |
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The refs in both cases reviewed the situations and saw all the evidence, before making their decisions. So if they say it's a penalty or not, then I accept their judgements. Aside from that, there was more leeway for a handball offence last year. That is gone now. Handball by defender in box = automatic penalty. Hence the penalty in the European Cup Final, and dramatic increase in penalties awarded in VAR games. In the Brazil game, the incident was reviewed from about 30 available angles, far more than we get to see. Nothing gets past a VAR so if they say the ball is out of play, then obviously it's out. Case closed.
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Baldrick
Robbie Keane Peyton-tly Pedantic Joined: 18 Sep 2008 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 32724 |
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Inconsistencies and subjectivity was tolerated more when it was only refs making the call with not backup. With introduction of VAR those inconsistencies are still there but are tolerated less.
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AKA pedantic kunt
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Trap junior
Robbie Keane YBIG Minister of Doom & Gloom Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Irish Riviera Status: Online Points: 39769 |
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Would you rather a vital decision based on numerous replays and angles or the ref who has a split second to view the incident from one angle? I keep saying its not fool proof but the vast majority of vital decisions will now be correct. There is still subjectivity but I'd rather that subjectivity based on viewing all the available evidence than spur of the moment subjectivity based on a fleeting view.
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Baldrick
Robbie Keane Peyton-tly Pedantic Joined: 18 Sep 2008 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 32724 |
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I am a fan if VAR and think it's good.and just needs a few tweaks. What from my post gave you the impression I wasn't.
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AKA pedantic kunt
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Trap junior
Robbie Keane YBIG Minister of Doom & Gloom Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Irish Riviera Status: Online Points: 39769 |
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I got the impression you didn't mind the subjectivity of the ref because its a tough job but didn't like the subjectivity of VAR.
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Jack Charlton Teenage Kicks, so hard to beat Joined: 30 Mar 2015 Status: Offline Points: 7691 |
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i wonder if there was a world wide poll of fans/refs/coaches etc to stick with VAR or abolish it what would the outcome be?
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Trap junior
Robbie Keane YBIG Minister of Doom & Gloom Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Irish Riviera Status: Online Points: 39769 |
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We just need to streamline it like a piece of a giant pie. FACT. |
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Hans Moleman
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handball in the box equals penalty a ball deflected onto a players own arm like Sissoko, will never be a penalty again. That was already clarified, but you just keep driving on with the same nonsense. The CL penalty decision was a mistake. They didn't take long enough to see the initial contact with the chest is the only plausible explanation. As for the Brazil WC penalty. It's a penalty. There is no disputing it. Jesus is fouled. The ball is still in play when he is fouled. How are you disputing any of that? If in the exact same situation VAR had awarded a penalty, my guess is you'd say they were correct in their judgement, no?
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"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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planning
Ray Houghton Football version of Comical Ali. Joined: 17 Mar 2012 Status: Offline Points: 3836 |
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I didn't dispute anything. I told you the official explanation for why that penalty wasn't given. The exact same reason why Porto didn't get a penalty at Anfield in the European Cup a few months back, when the ball hit TAA. The ball was said to be out of play. Case closed. You still dispute it though, just as you defy the judgement of 5 of the top referees in Europe who all called the handball incident in the European Cup Final, as a penalty. They saw everything about the incident, and found no grounds to change the decision. It's not hilarious, it's the rules of the game, which even Spurs fans reluctantly agree with. Everything is spotted now. Nothing gets past a VAR, when a decision has to be made. Therefore whatever they decide, I accept without question.
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VAR: Cutting the crap out of football.
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Hans Moleman
Roy Keane Muff: That is a lie and you are a liar Joined: 09 Aug 2012 Status: Offline Points: 10199 |
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Well, that was all you ever had to say. You accept every VAR decision without question. Correct calls. Incorrect calls. You accept them all as VAR said so. We've finally got there
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"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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ProudAndLoud
Davey Langan Joined: 12 Sep 2016 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 801 |
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Scotland Ladies can have no grievance with the VAR calls last night. What they can have grievance with is that as penalty given the substitute entering the field of play had barely come onto pitch. I think referee didn't realise it was a double substitution. Also about 8/9 minutes additional time should have been played instead of 5.
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