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longford claret 
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If the ball hits your hand all be it accidentally, and you score, it is automatically disallowed.
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Roberto Baggio
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Did they not change that rule again? I know it came in for the 2019/20 season. Is it still in place?
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Zinedine Kilbane 110
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They only changed it for penalties....so it’s not an automatic penalty if it hits the hand in the box. However for scoring a goal it remains the same. I know they are trying to make the rules very clear to ensure consistency but common sense is not used.
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longford claret
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Posted: 05 Mar 2021 at 8:08am |
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Think the law is still in place.
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Posted: 05 Mar 2021 at 8:32am |
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What was the case that meant any handball meant goal ruled out? I presume that they intended to do was "any handball that gained an unfair advantage", which would probably have allowed last night's goal. Should be that way either for handballs leading to penalties, or handballs leading to goals.
On the offsides I don't know what to do, we have the technology now, are we just gonna ignore it? We need it for the clear and obvious mistakes by refs. I'm not sure how you create a rule that allows some offsides and not others.
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Claret Murph
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Posted: 05 Mar 2021 at 10:17am |
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Boy that one upset me last nigjht LC
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Posted: 05 Mar 2021 at 12:20pm |
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Just get rid of VAR. It's taken away the joy when goals are scored and still the debates remain! Alright I suppose for armchair viewers but will be sh*te when fans are back at matches
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Posted: 05 Mar 2021 at 12:35pm |
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If the result is so important that every single decision has to be right then the whole point of the game has been lost. It should be every single decision too, not just the 'major' ones as it shows a deliberate misunderstanding of the game. 'The butterfly effect' is certainly applicable to football.
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Posted: 05 Mar 2021 at 1:01pm |
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The "problem" with Handball hasn't changed, just the "solution" (VAR) and the evidence continues to mount that if anything, the "solution" is just making the problem worse. That is, handball is penalised since it is an attempt to gain an advantage by unfair means. However, this should not be applied where the handball is entirely accidental. In the past, the problem was usually that of the referee trying to get into the player's head, to determine whether it was cheating (intentional) or merely accidental - sometimes it's pretty obvious, other times it's a matter of judgement. And VAR can't determine that any better than a referee, since it (VAR) still requires a referee in Stockley Park to make a judgement. Occasionally, however, the question is whether the ball really did strike the players arm or not. VAR can determine this pretty much every time. But instead of leaving it there, for the sake of certainty, it has been decided that EVERY contact will be judged to be a foul, regardless of intent or not - a classic case of the tail (technology) wagging the dog (principle). This is made worse by the application of "handball" for a contact made inside the area being penalised (defender prevents goal or attacker gains one), when the exact same contact away from the goal would not be penalised if it is thought to be accidental. Bonkers, utterly bonkers.
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Roberto Baggio
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Posted: 05 Mar 2021 at 1:26pm |
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Another rule change midway through a season, just to add to the confusion
From IFAB: "Accidental handball that leads to a team-mate scoring a goal or having a goal-scoring opportunity will no longer be considered an offence."
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That bit referring to a teammate is only part of todays' "clarification" (i.e. face-saving operation): As the interpretation of handball incidents has not
always been consistent due to incorrect applications of the Law, the
members confirmed that not every touch of a player’s hand/arm with the
ball is an offence. In terms of the criterion of the hand/arm making a
player’s body “unnaturally bigger”, it was confirmed that referees
should continue to use their judgment in determining the validity of the
hand/arm’s position in relation to the player’s movement in that
specific situation. Following this clarification, it is a handball offence if a player:
Accidental handball that leads to a team-mate scoring a goal or having a goal-scoring opportunity will no longer be considered an offence. Oh for the days of the late, great Brian Clough, when he used to say: "It was a penalty because the referee said it was" - even when the penalty was awarded against his team.
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Posted: 05 Mar 2021 at 6:22pm |
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He got to the ball 1 step before the keeper and 1 step before the covering defender. He got a 1mm advantage which he took. Except a 1mm difference is not level. VAR didn't make the run, VAR didn't gain an advantage. VAR provides the evidence to advise the ref on the pitch that the forward was ahead of the last defender, therefore offside should be the decision. Now they're the rules as they stand. If you don't like the rules, the rules can be changed, and VAR will adapt them accordingly. I get the whole emotion argument, but VAR doesn't recognise emotion. Decisions are made in accordance with the rulebook and they must be correct. So you will not take advantage of a handball. You will not dive to win penalties. You will not score goals if you are offside and you will not be given a red card by mistaken identity. Most goals pass the routine VAR check. Once it complies with the laws of the game, there's no problem.
What he knew about it is neither here nor there. You can't score a goal in that situation, simple as that. It may not be an ideal world, but that's the rule. And unlike the second rate leagues, if you handle the ball and put the ball in the net in the EPL, you will be spotted and your goal will not stand. If that goal stood, his team would wrongly, be a point nearer safety. Because it didn't, that could be the decision that rightly, makes all the difference at the end of May. All VAR does is apply the rules as they stand, not what you want them to be. The laws of the game apply worldwide. There have been 6 consecutive days of EPL action, and VAR has had to step in to apply the laws of the game during games on all 6 days. All interventions were correct and justice was done, as it should be, in each case. That is Fair Play in action.
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VAR: Cutting the crap out of football.
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Posted: 05 Mar 2021 at 7:15pm |
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Where did you see it was from mid season. Pretty sure its not and its 01 July
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Ray Houghton
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It will be more confusing, but it's not mid season. The new rules apply from June 1, and the first time we'll see them applied is at the Euros. It will be more confusing. What is accidental handball to someone, is a deliberate attempt to cheat to someone else. I prefer the way it is now, where handball by a forward is an automatic free kick to the defending team. You may not like the rule but it's clearcut, and easy to understand, so less grounds for complaint. Any adjustments to the rules will apply worldwide, whether VAR is used or not. People will still complain about bias and how VAR is crap, but VAR will not be making the judgement, it will alert him to a handball incident, and leave the rest to him. There will always be lines drawn for offside, so we can see if a forward has gained an advantage. None of the current alternative proposals in the table change that. It's disappointing that there is still resolute resistance to broadcasting communication of reviews between refs and VAR. Host broadcasters already have access to it, so I can't understand what the big issue is. It would certainly make VAR an easier sell to the sceptics, who still can't accept that it's absolutely essential, to keep the cheats and the conmen out of our sport for good.
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VAR: Cutting the crap out of football.
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Posted: 07 Mar 2021 at 2:49pm |
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July 01 but UEFA are looking for sanction from FIFA to implement changes earlier for Euros.
LOI starts before change date so changes don't come into play in LOI this season.
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BrendanD88
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Posted: 10 Mar 2021 at 6:35pm |
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How was that not a penalty for City?
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Posted: 10 Mar 2021 at 7:02pm |
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Foden was too honest. Aguero or Jesus would have make the most of that. Get your right foot in between GK and ball so it’s a clear peno.
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BrendanD88
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Posted: 10 Mar 2021 at 7:20pm |
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It was still a clear penalty though! Not sure how the VAR didn’t award it.
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longford claret wrote: