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Ray Houghton Football version of Comical Ali. Joined: 17 Mar 2012 Status: Offline Points: 3836 |
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Yes we did, as it turns out. It might have stopped the whole team berating the ref for starters, and we would still be in the WC. Paris, Brussels, Sofia, Gelsenkirchen... We should have had technology in the sport 30 years ago, like Cricket did. A refusal to embrace change stopped it, and is stalling it's progress now. We can use technology for everything from passing accuracy percentages to monitoring players diets to handing down bans, but we can't use it when we really need it, to enforce Fair Play on the pitch? No, that has to change. Platini and his mates, are now banned from all football activity, after being exposed as a shower of fraudsters and conmen.
What will be lost are wrong decisions. We need goals disallowed if someone is a millimetre offside. It's offside, end of. Amazing how many people don't understand that rather simple fact. This is Fair Play in action, not just a token slogan in the centre circle. Murphy is a populist flip flopper on VAR. First he hated it before the WC, then he loved it after the WC, now he hates it again. So when he sees that the public love it, he'll love it again. I get his "what about the fans" laments. I hold back celebrating if my team scores, when I'm not 100% sure the goal/decision will stand. When the goal is confirmed, I'm still delighted. If it doesn't stand, then we move swiftly on. I don't complain, I don't howl at the moon with "VAR is fucin shte", as I know VAR is not the problem. There's clearly a valid reason(s) why the decision has to be changed. I never want to walk out of a stadium ever again, conned by cheating players and/or robbed by incompetent officials, I've done it for long enough. He, like you, me and everyone else is just going to have to get used to this, because it isn't going away. This works. All VAR decisions last weekend were spot on, as they will be for the next 9 months. Even the brits should be well used to it by then. |
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Hans Moleman
Roy Keane Muff: That is a lie and you are a liar Joined: 09 Aug 2012 Status: Offline Points: 10199 |
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It might have stopped the whole team berating the referee you say like you claimed no players berated the refs at the Copa America and Women's World Cups this summer?
F*ckin hell, you are way beyond delusional at this stage
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"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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Hans Moleman
Roy Keane Muff: That is a lie and you are a liar Joined: 09 Aug 2012 Status: Offline Points: 10199 |
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Btw, what works? What version of VAR are you saying works? There are currently numerous different VAR systems at play in all parts of the world. These all apply different processes to their decision making, and how much they will interfere with the on field calls by the referee varies. Is that the uniformity that you said exists with VAR across the board now in football and tha that nothing will change that in future?
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"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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SuperDave84
Robbie Keane ooh Thomas, how could you do this to me! Joined: 26 Aug 2011 Location: Far Fungannon Status: Offline Points: 21384 |
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If the difference in player position between one frame and the next can be in the region of 200mm, there's just no way you can say VAR says whether someone is definitely onside or offside. It simply isn't infallible or that accurate, and stop pretending it is.
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Ray Houghton Football version of Comical Ali. Joined: 17 Mar 2012 Status: Offline Points: 3836 |
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Yes it is. Weeding out the cheats from the fair players is what the game needs. There's hundreds of millions of Euro* resting on the right decision made. There is zero tolerance for offside. A mm is as good as a mile. It's still offside. A goal that results should not, and does not count with VAR in operation. We have the technology to see that it doesn't, and now it is being used. *whatever currency you want.
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Hans Moleman
Roy Keane Muff: That is a lie and you are a liar Joined: 09 Aug 2012 Status: Offline Points: 10199 |
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"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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Ray Houghton Football version of Comical Ali. Joined: 17 Mar 2012 Status: Offline Points: 3836 |
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The replay operator in the hub has access to multiple camera angles simultaneously. So when the frame is stopped, you know it's the correct one. The technology is the best there is, so we go with whatever it says. Later in the same game, it was used to verify a player was onside, and the goal given.
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Hans Moleman
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You are different gravy planning the actual level of delusion, denial and plain stupidity is a sight to behold
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"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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SuperDave84
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I'll dumb it down as much as I can: when the frame is stopped, hopefully it is the *closest* to correct; that's all you know. If the player is 10cm onside in one frame, and 5cm offside in the next, and all you know is that the ball is played sometime between the two frames, VAR will not decide the matter for certain; those figures are perfectly possible figures and could well be greater. The technology is the best there is; that does not make it perfect. I agree we should use it, but f**k me kid, if you can't see it's not absolutely perfect, you're ignoring basic junior cert maths. I'll not claim it is primary school maths but there are definitely 10 year olds who could understand it; point is, it is not infallible.
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Ray Houghton Football version of Comical Ali. Joined: 17 Mar 2012 Status: Offline Points: 3836 |
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There's nothing to dumb down. I have no reason not to trust the software used by VAR, so I'm not going to invent conspiracy theories to discredit it, or it's findings. Despite some peoples best efforts, a camera cannot be conned.
I'm dealing with opponents who can't accept that VAR is finally correcting injustices in the game and/or want it scrapped. Well they're going to have a long season of misery ahead of them.
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Hans Moleman
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Ah there's no way you're serious and you can't comprehend that those tv freeze frames as they are, are simply not 100 percent spot on? As I've said with other sports like tennis which is far easier to use a technology system, even then it's widely known that the Hawkeye is not 100 percent correct. Football technology is way behind other sports. There are far more moving parts when those freeze frames are required for offside. We are years away from anything close to being 100 percent accurate on tight offside calls.
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"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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Ray Houghton Football version of Comical Ali. Joined: 17 Mar 2012 Status: Offline Points: 3836 |
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The technology has been extensively tested, experimented, verified, implemented at club and international level over several years. We wouldn't be using it if it was anything less than 100% accurate. Nor would other sports use it in theirs.
Like I said, if you don't like how VAR implements the rules, change the rules. I'm sure IFAB are open to ideas. Until then, these are the rules we have to work with, and they're enforced as they're supposed to be. Scrapping VAR brings rampant cheating and injustice back into the game. I can't support that, sorry.
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Hans Moleman
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You realise that in numerous other sports using technology that their systems are constantly reported as not being 100 percent accurate ,but the results of the system are accepted nonetheless. Tennis Hawkeye system is not 100 percent accurate. This is widely known.
Why do you keep coming on this thread and writing utter nonsense? Every handball will now result in a penalty with VAR - 100 percent false. VAR has removed any abuse or harassment of refs - 100 percent false. VAR will be operated in the exact same way across the board in different leagues and different competitions - 100 percent false. The amount of time it takes to come to a decision is irrelevant - utter nonsense. The technology now is 100 percent accurate on offside - the height of utter nonsense. Edited by Hans Moleman - 14 Aug 2019 at 9:54am |
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"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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There's no uniformity in facilities/technology so I'm not sure why you would expect the system to work uniformly across the globe. I don't see any real issue with the article you posted - in the MLS they don't have enough cameras at grounds to be able to make calls on marginal offsides so they don't get involved. In the PL however they believe they do have sufficient cameras/technology to be 100% accurate. VAR made a number of calls at the weekend and from what I could tell every single one of them was correct.
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Denis Irwin
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Hans Moleman
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I was highlighting the fact that planning said that VAR would would run the same way in all leagues and competitions. That all rules would be dealt with the same in different countries and their respective leagues. That was never going to be the case as the technology at every ground varies. As far as you could tell the calls are the weekend were correct. You cannot be sure though as there is most definitely a decent margin for error. The technology simply isn't there to be 100 percent definitive. With that, they need to reassess how they deal with offsides especially in the PL. If they are keeping the flag down for all tight attacking plays, they are essentially passing the buck after to VAR to make the call. Except VAR is not 100 percent accurate on office calls.
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Hans Moleman
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Planning, did you jot down the Brighton handball vs Watford in your notebook? Clear handball, VAR checked and said nothing doing. Oh and Perreira chased the ref about it for good measure. 2 for the price of 1
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"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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Roberto Baggio
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The Brighton handball is the only decision of the weekend that I saw that I think VAR got wrong.
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